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747FOCAL
10th Nov 2003, 21:46
What is with the "corkscrew" manuever they talk about at the end of the article? Not sure I agree with DHL's theory on flying 707s when their heat signature is large compared to a High Bypass ratio engine. Hope the guys flying this route are getting PIZAID big money, DHL must think they are gonna lose one by flying a 707. :ooh:


Missile fear keeps airlines out of Baghdad
Boston Globe 11/10/03
author: Vivienne Walt,
(Copyright 2003)


BAGHDAD -- Coalition officials in Iraq boasted to reporters months ago that commercial airlines were lining up to fly into Baghdad International Airport. But the rush to capture that market has ground to a halt in the face of a nightmare scenario envisioned by US officials, airline executives, and insurance companies: a shoulder-fired missile striking a commercial jet in midair.

Leave aside the bombings, mortar attacks, and gunfire that punctuate daily life in Iraq. Officials have become increasingly anxious about a possible airline disaster since Nov. 2, when a missile shot down a 10-ton US Army Chinook helicopter, killing 16 soldiers. The troops were on their way home for their first break in more than seven months.

Amid the helicopter wreckage and bodies at the crash site near Fallujah, about 30 miles west of Baghdad International, or BIAP (BUY-ap) as coalition officials have dubbed it, lay the dream of starting commercial flights any time soon.

''It's only a matter of time before a big airliner is brought down somewhere in the world, and Baghdad is a very good place to start,'' said James O'Halloran, editor of Jane's Land-Based Air Defense in Waterlooville, England. ''I cannot see the point in opening up BIAP until the coalition has really secured the area. Otherwise, you're really asking for trouble,'' he said by telephone.

Last month, insurgents around Baghdad intensified their efforts to shoot down aircraft flying in and out of the airport. At least 30 attempts have been made since July, according to security officials who requested anonymity. Recently, three attempts were made in just one week, coalition officials said, including one against an airplane owned by the air freight company DHL and one against a Russian charter.

The crash of an American Blackhawk helicopter near Tikrit on Friday, after apparently being hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, killed six more soldiers and underscored the threat to aircraft.

No jet has been brought down, security officials say, perhaps because insurgents are poorly trained in missile use or because they are firing rocket-propelled grenades. But the volume of missiles fired greatly improves the chances of a hit.

Baghdad may be the most dangerous destination on earth. But the airport also is considered a potential gold mine in the US plans for Iraq. Almost entirely landlocked, with Baghdad in the center of the country, Iraq badly needs its major airport to fly in investors, developers, and cargo.

''The airport is critical in any number of ways. There are huge opportunities in Baghdad,'' said Joe Morris, director of operations for CusterBattles, a US-based company hired to manage security for the airport. ''This could be a substantial hub in the region.''

Indeed, the airport is a monument to Iraq's 1980s oil wealth. Partly modeled after Charles de Gaulle International Airport outside Paris and twice the size of Los Angeles International, it was built to handle millions of passengers a year, in a grandiose vision of Saddam Hussein. Today, the scores of check-in desks stand deserted. The electronic board, which lists flights to Tokyo, Paris, and Frankfurt, is a relic from a previous era; the device last operated in 1990, when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

United Nations weapons inspectors estimated before the war that Iraq possessed about 5,000 shoulder-fired missiles. Most are Russian-built Strela, or SA-7, missiles -- heat-seeking projectiles that cost $1,000 each on the open market and are small and light enough to be hoarded in large quantities in hidden caches.

''There are literally hundreds of thousands of them in the world. Just about every country produces them now,'' O'Halloran said. ''You can run around with them all day on your shoulder and not get tired. And they're very, very cheap. That is what makes them the favorite of these organizations,'' he said, refering to terrorist operatives around the world.

Aside from the huge stock of the surface-to-air missiles still missing in Iraq, other groups, including Al Qaeda, are believed to possess quantities of them. Last November, Al Qaeda operatives in Kenya narrowly missed bringing down an Israeli jet filled with tourists.

After the devastating attack on the Chinook -- the deadliest single strike on US forces in the Iraq conflict -- US officials conceded that the military has found only a small fraction of Iraq's missiles, despite an intense hunt since April. ''We've recovered hundreds of them ourselves,'' the top US civilian administrator in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, told CNN. ''But there are still thousands of them left.''

Most military aircraft are fitted with antimissile equipment, but US officials have not said whether the Chinook had lacked it.

The Nov. 2 attack showed the daunting task in making the airport zone immune to missiles. The sprawling area is surrounded by Baghdad's western suburbs, palm groves, and foliage. Soldiers have spent months chopping down trees along the airport road, in an effort to deny insurgents hiding places. But there are almost-daily attacks on the road, at places that also could hide those firing shoulder-held missiles. ''This airport area is really enormous, and the task is enormous in controlling missiles,'' Morris said.

The intense fear of a missile strike does not affect Iraq only. After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, US officials acknowledged that many airports were vulnerable to missiles, perhaps fired from a road passing under a runway -- a feature of several airports, including Kennedy International in New York and Charles de Gaulle International. After intensive lobbying from commercial pilots, Congress recently passed a law requiring US airlines to spend billions of dollars fitting new aircraft with automatic detectors that can fire decoys to deflect a missile. Eventually, older aircraft will be retrofitted.

While key government buildings across Iraq were pummeled in the war, Saddam International Airport -- as Baghdad International was then known -- survived without a scratch. Pentagon war planners calculated that it was too valuable to bomb. The Third Infantry Division soldiers who arrived exhausted from combat in early April slumped into leather armchairs in the VIP lounge and gawked at the opulence.

It is the capital's biggest military base, with a steady stream of military helicopters and cargo planes flying in and out daily, and houses the detention facility for hundreds of top officials from Hussein's regime. The duty-free store, stocked with Cuban cigars and good-quality vodka, among other items, caters almost entirely to soldiers.

Since the summer, Royal Jordanian Airlines has flown coalition officials and foreign journalists from Amman three times a week, with civilians paying a huge premium to cover the rocketing insurance premiums: about $650 for a two-hour flight. DHL flies in Boeing 707 jets daily. Other chartered flights serve contractors and humanitarian aid efforts.

In the meantime, the flight into Baghdad International is not for those with sensitive stomachs. In an attempt to avert missiles, pilots bank sharply over the city, virtually landing on the airplane's wing in what is called the ''corkscrew'' maneuver. Once on the ground, sniffer dogs comb the baggage. New Iraqi immigration officers, trained by US officials, take digital photographs of every arriving passenger.
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Globaliser
11th Nov 2003, 00:36
747FOCAL: What is with the "corkscrew" manuever they talk about at the end of the article?Have a look at the third post in this thread (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105768).

747FOCAL
17th Nov 2003, 23:03
Who? the US Govt??? :\

Bubbette
17th Nov 2003, 23:57
Would the anti-missile devices being installed by El Al help in this situation also?

neil armstrong
18th Nov 2003, 01:19
the 707 should be the 727(DHL doesnt have 707's)they also fly the A300 in to Iraq.
Soon they start flying the 757 to Iraq too.
The crews dont get a penny extra for the flights.(it's all for the glamour:} )


Neil

747FOCAL
18th Nov 2003, 01:42
neil armstrong,

That is what I was thinking on the 707, though they might have leased one.

Your not THE Neil Armstrong are you?

planetblu
18th Nov 2003, 15:24
In Angola the rule was to do spirals up and down above a safe area that normally was above the town. This was the procedure to be followed approaching and departing around the country. Every type and size of plane did that. I think it worked quite well but the scenario seems to become too hot in Iraq also for this procedure.:confused:

DanAir1-11
19th Nov 2003, 12:42
Not wanting to expose a soft underbelly, but HELL, I wouldn't want to do this even for really B I G bucks, these guy's must have brick bollocks. Can't decide if they're incredibly ballsy or incredibly stupid????

I would also seriously doubt the logic behind using a 707 as the target area is massive, with a large span and 4 heat sources.

Good luck to anyone anywhere near this mess.

Flopster
19th Nov 2003, 15:56
Felt I had to respond to the factually incorrect article, a possible spin-off from an equally inaccurate article printed in Newsweek a few weeks back. First of all, DHL does not operate any 707s. The type operated on the twice-daily BAH-SAD (for the official name of the airport is still Saddam Intl. despite what the US might try to tell us) is an Airbus A300B4 freighter. On behalf of DHL, another operator is flying there daily with An-12s.

Neil is correct, DHL crews does not receive any extras to operate the Iraq flights, which besides the A300 to Baghdad also includes 727s to Mosul and Tikrit. The 757 is also scheduled to commence operations to Iraq rather soon. However, crews can partly blame themselves as enough volunteers are present which in turn leads the company to think that incentives are not needed. Alas, until such time as the crews start to reject flying the trips, the company will not be inclined to caugh up extra dosh. And the company is making bucket loads of money from these flights; it would only be fair if some of the profits are sent in the direction of the guys and girls taking the risks.

Iīve had the oppertunity to ride the jumpseat into Saddam Intl. and it is a very interesting approach, but it's not a corkscrew. This mistake was also reported in Newsweek, but it is still incorrect. I shall refrain from posting the exact procdure, it'll be sufficient to say it's rather more steep than an LCY approach, and the go-around manouver is equally unorthodox. But itīs not a corkscrew.