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PIKAviationTours 24th December 2024 20:57

Breeze
 
Breeze considering transatlantic on the A220? https://simpleflying.com/transatlant...OhfiJWISCQTtLw


FRatSTN 25th December 2024 11:04

If this were to happen, DUB is plausible providing the current cap allows though the smaller airframe would make it difficult to complete with the likes of Aer Lingus/American/Delta/United. From a UK perspective the only realistic operation I could see is LCY, essentially a replacement of the BA A318 services pre-Covid. Anyone that would expect to see this at the likes of MAN, NCL or GLA I'd say dream on, but would like to be proved wrong.

caaardiff 25th December 2024 12:50


Originally Posted by FRatSTN (Post 11793676)
If this were to happen, DUB is plausible providing the current cap allows though the smaller airframe would make it difficult to complete with the likes of Aer Lingus/American/Delta/United. From a UK perspective the only realistic operation I could see is LCY, essentially a replacement of the BA A318 services pre-Covid. Anyone that would expect to see this at the likes of MAN, NCL or GLA I'd say dream on, but would like to be proved wrong.

Bristol? If the runway is sufficient.

USER0005 25th December 2024 13:07

I honestly struggle to see how an A220 is going to be profitable from any smaller regional airport where demand is going to be very much low yield leisure driven. For the same reasons I can't see Breeze competing successfully at EDI or MAN. In Ireland ORK would make more sense than DUB.

I guess if regional airports were in the running they would be the likes of BHX, BRS, GLA and perhaps NCL.

laviation 25th December 2024 13:40

Good luck trying to sell 120 seats a day between Providence and regional GB cities ……

USER0005 25th December 2024 14:00


Originally Posted by laviation (Post 11793758)
Good luck trying to sell 120 seats a day between Providence and regional GB cities ……

Or London!

Of the list in the Simple Flying article Hartford is probably the most feasible and least financially suicidal!

Jerbourg 25th December 2024 16:17

I'm sure I read in the last few days that STN were hopeful of announcing a transatlantic link for summer 25, I can't recall were I read it so cannot post a link.

tartan 201 25th December 2024 16:39


Originally Posted by laviation (Post 11793758)
Good luck trying to sell 120 seats a day between Providence and regional GB cities ……

Norwegian carried about 32,000 passengers between EDI and PVD in S18, although obviously their TATL operations weren't successful overall. Perhaps an airline with a more US-focussed point of sale (and the ability to offer connections to and from PVD) might find greater success?

EI-BUD 26th December 2024 06:35

Breeze will go after markets that are unserved but where they know quantifiable demand exists through a connection. They'll also look at markets that were previously operated but rationalised by bigger competitors.a

White Plains (Westchester) had been previously mentioned for a Dublin route. Very plausible with current pre clearance facilities in Dublin. Though whether Breeze has plans for a base there is another matter.

We are led to believe that akin to a 321 XLR, the 220 could offer similar unit costs to a widebody. With 12 business seats, and a selective network, I could see them carving a niche.

On that size of aircraft I'd like to see Belfast getting another shot at a transatlantic route.
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VickersVicount 26th December 2024 18:17


Originally Posted by tartan 201 (Post 11793846)
Norwegian carried about 32,000 passengers between EDI and PVD in S18,

Cheap giveaway fares and ditched shortly after tells you more than the numbers carried with that particular venture. The infrastructure /contingency woes lead to poor reviews also.

laviation 26th December 2024 18:21

If Breeze can time it right, with good connections out of their PVD/BDL bases, with a sensible TATL build up, it could work. Perhaps summer seasonal flights from DUB/SNN/EDI/MAN. I believe London is pushing the range of the A220?

J Kev 26th December 2024 20:46

Isn't their whole business plan based on connecting underserved secondary markets? Should be serving the regions - NCL, GLA, BRS, BFS, BHX etc to secondary airports in major markets of the US northeast, doesn't even necessarily need to be high frequency or year round. Don't see the point or the profit margins flying already congested LON, DUB or EDI. Infact it was a proven failure when Norwegian done it.

Asturias56 26th December 2024 21:34

IIRC pre Covid Air Canada offered an A.318 service LHR - Halifax - it seemed to make money at that time

Sotonsean 26th December 2024 21:47


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11794450)
IIRC pre Covid Air Canada offered an A.318 service LHR - Halifax - it seemed to make money at that time

Air Canada as you know never had any Airbus A318s in their fleet.

Air Canada pre-covid previously operated an Airbus A319 between St John's, Newfoundland to London Heathrow. From March 2021 the route was resumed with a Boeing 737 MAX. Air Canada are currently not operating St John's to London Heathrow.

Halifax, Nova Scotia to London Heathrow was previously operated by an Air Canada Boeing 767. The route is currently flown by a Boeing 737 MAX.

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Una Due Tfc 27th December 2024 00:43

They applied for and were denied slots in DUB already.....

https://www.fm104.ie/news/fm104-news...passenger-cap/


Sea Plane Driver 27th December 2024 01:15


White Plains (Westchester) had been previously mentioned for a Dublin route
I flew Breeze on the A220-300 recently to and from Westchester Airport. (From DAB)
The airline was ok and the airplane was great but Westchester Airport was a horrible experience, cramped, dirty, no facilities, crowded and sh!tty.
Doubt they have Immigration and Customs for International ops, except across the runway where a bunch of Gulfstream Jets and other VIP metal was parked.



Una Due Tfc 27th December 2024 01:24


Originally Posted by Sea Plane Driver (Post 11794503)
I flew Breeze on the A220-300 recently to and from Westchester Airport. (From DAB)
The airline was ok and the airplane was great but Westchester Airport was a horrible experience, cramped, dirty, no facilities, crowded and sh!tty.
Doubt they have Immigration and Customs for International ops, except across the runway where a bunch of Gulfstream Jets and other VIP metal was parked.

They wouldn't need full immigration and customs facilities for flights from DUB and SNN at least.

Sea Plane Driver 27th December 2024 01:32


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 11794505)
They wouldn't need full immigration and customs facilities for flights from DUB and SNN at least.

Facilities in DUB and SNN?
Haven’t flown those destinations since mid 1990s, US Custom and Immigration there? (I vaguely remember the Pre-Check in Shannon)
Not a problem in that case, but Westchester Airport is still a mess, highly not recommended..:sad:

Una Due Tfc 27th December 2024 01:35


Originally Posted by Sea Plane Driver (Post 11794507)
Facilities in DUB and SNN?
Haven’t flown those destinations since mid 1990s, US Custom and Immigration there? (I vaguely remember the Pre-Check in Shannon)
Not a problem in that case, but Westchester Airport is still a mess, highly not recommended..:sad:

Full US CBP in DUB and SNN. You walk off the plane in the US as a domestic passenger, no checks. A minimal facility is required at the receiving end.

What's possible and what's economically viable are very different things of course.

They've already broken cover and applied for DUB slots so that's where my money is.

Sea Plane Driver 27th December 2024 02:12


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 11794509)
Full US CBP in DUB and SNN. You walk off the plane in the US as a domestic passenger, no checks. A minimal facility is required at the receiving end.

What's possible and what's economically viable are very different things of course.

They've already broken cover and applied for DUB slots so that's where my money is.

Great for Westchester airport then with no facilities.
No idea if the market is there to sustain an oddball route like this one.
The A220-300 was ok in FC for 3 hours, with drinks and a basket of cookies and popcorn, no idea if the galleys are equipped for hot meals across the Atlantic but if I was traveling to Ireland I would probably call Air Lingus.


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