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On option 2, I would expect the point of import (and thus application of tarrifs) to be determined by the point of registration, not by the ultimate owner.
Can't see any of the regulatory authorities allowing long-term leasing of American registered a/c in these circumstances. |
I'm not sure about the legalities of all this, but I believe that there are leased aircraft in operation in various jurisdictions which carry the registration prefix of the operator's home country, rather than that of the lessors? Of course, there are also many which do not, using registers such as VP- or EI-. One for the lawyers to clear up!
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
(Post 11882376)
Just putting a question out there to the PPRuNe talent pool ... I don't purport to know the solution!
We know that MOL has been understandably voicing concerns over the potential impact of new US tariffs affecting aircraft orders and deliveries from Boeing. There have been suggestions that some early deliveries could be refused, in order to ensure that tariffs are not incurred. I've just been thinking about potential solutions to circumvent this problem; whether or not either of them would be in any way feasible is open to conjecture. Just putting some ideas out there to consider ways in which the impasse could be circumvented. 1) A wide-ranging new trade deal between the US and the UK was announced earlier this week. Would allocation of new B38M's to Ryanair UK (and delivering direct to them) bypass reciprocal tariffs imposed against the US by the EU? Would allocating these aircraft to the Ryanair UK subsidiary come with extra costs anyway, over and above what would be routinely anticipated? In the short term, the 15 Boeing 737-8AS units currently operating for Ryanair UK could be cascaded back to the EI-, SP-, 9H- fleets without tariffs to offset the first fifteen tariff-impacted deliveries? 2) Would it be an option to sell the outstanding B38M orders to a US leasing company with an agreement to lease them and buy them back at a later date (subject to tariff renegotiations at government level)? Do aircraft coming across from the US on lease themselves incur tariffs, even if the aircraft is not being purchased by an entity domiciled within the EU? I don't know whether these options are feasible, or whether some of you can suggest better ideas (or further obstacles), but a solution which means no backlog of undeliverable Ryanair B38M's going to storage in a desert would be beneficial all round. Only competitors will benefit from a hamstrung Ryanair, unable to expand beyond it's present fleet size for months or years ahead. Any thoughts? But on your point the UK has no Customs Duty on any aircraft. The same with the EU currently so no issue. The EU however are very active in pushing for retaliatory tariffs including on aircraft. If, in theory the EU retaliated with tariffs on Boeing but the UK doesn't the tariff is specific to the named country (USA) so you can't bring goods in and bypass the tariff by routing the good via the UK.... same applies to older aircraft... so you can't transfer old stock without incurring the duty. Unless they specify that it is on new aircraft only. 2. If there were tariffs then the leasing agreement would attract the tariff and not the purchase cost/value of the aircraft. This gets a bit more complicated and difficult to explain on how you calculate the value. The company who 'imports' will still have to pay the relevant tariffs and import VAT, now this could be the leasing company (owner) or the company leasing (hiring) of the aircraft. Airbus got round tariffs in the USA a few years ago, when Airbus and Boeing were both accusing each other of subsidies, by building plant in the USA for A320s. All in all though your question in the current situation where neither the UK or the EU have any tariffs on US aircraft is null and void, but it maybe interesting on what happens if they do implement retaliatory tariffs both here or in the EU. The question is how have Boeing sold the aircraft, what are the terms in the contract? Same with leasing companies! Hope this answers your questions. |
Surprised not to read anything online about Ryanair no longer accepting Revolut…unless I missed it?!
Flew with them today TLS>BHX and the cabin crew told me it was due to payment problems they have had with this payment method. Unsure if it’s just UK flights or all Ryanair flights. |
Originally Posted by MANFAN
(Post 11889630)
Surprised not to read anything online about Ryanair no longer accepting Revolut…unless I missed it?!
Flew with them today TLS>BHX and the cabin crew told me it was due to payment problems they have had with this payment method. Unsure if it’s just UK flights or all Ryanair flights. |
Originally Posted by MANFAN
(Post 11889630)
Surprised not to read anything online about Ryanair no longer accepting Revolut…unless I missed it?!
Flew with them today TLS>BHX and the cabin crew told me it was due to payment problems they have had with this payment method. Unsure if it’s just UK flights or all Ryanair flights. |
Originally Posted by Lomon
(Post 11890497)
Is it not due to the "payment type?" My Deutsche Bank Maestro debit card isn't accepted but my RBS Mastercard debit card is.
Maestro is a debit card with less functionality and was a 'junior' version, a bit like Visa electron. On top of that Maestro is now discontinued and those in circulation will be replaced as they expire. |
Santander
I noticed that Ryanair currently has no bookable flights to or from Santander (SDR) for winter 2025/2026 from any of its bases. This is a significant shift given the airline’s historic presence there.
There’s some mention in the press of an ongoing dispute with Aena regarding airport charges, which reportedly led Ryanair to cut back operations at several Spanish airports. One source cited a 5% reduction at Santander specifically. But the fact that all routes appear to be removed for winter suggests something more drastic might be happening. I’m not an expert in Ryanair’s usual playbook, but is this typical of how they negotiate with airport operators? Is this likely a temporary pressure tactic to get more favourable terms from Aena? Or are we now looking at a full-scale withdrawal from Santander? Curious to hear what others think – anyone with past experience of Ryanair-Aena rows or similar pullbacks at other airports? |
Michael O’Leary to get €100m bonus under deal to keep him at Ryanair Payout is criticised as ‘morally questionable’ and an inefficient way of sharing company wealth O’Leary will be given shares worth €111m (£93.5m) if he stays at the airline until the end of July 2028 because the company’s share price stayed above €21 for 28 days. All their staff, from admin to flight crew will be very pleased to hear that he is in line for this. |
It's not a secret payoff - its been known for years- he's built the airline, he deserves the reward. Think of all the other airlines that have gone bust while he's been building RyanAir.
Sure they're not a touchy feely warm & cuddly outfit - but people have steady jobs in an expanding operation - which is NOT the default setting for the airline business |
Given the scale of Ryanair's success, I'm surprised that MOL's compensation is as modest as this. Check out compensation in major companies across Europe and the US; many offer senior executives way more than this (including heavily loss-making ones).
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
(Post 11892582)
Given the scale of Ryanair's success, I'm surprised that MOL's compensation is as modest as this. Check out compensation in major companies across Europe and the US; many offer senior executives way more than this (including heavily loss-making ones).
The $108 million, if unlocked, will be in addition to O'Leary's pay. In the past financial year, he was paid €925,000 ($991,572), which included a bonus component of €425,000. Starting this year, his base salary will be €1.2 million ($1.3 million). |
Well he knows in the long run he will make even more. O'Leary isn't going anywhere just yet.
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The fascinating aspect of all these kind of payouts is that - they could the staff a 10% bonus and not notice it. Yet their built in 'have the piggest pile of cash' always wins.
Example from this time last year: Singapore Airlines [CNN] Hong Kong/New Delhi CNN — Singapore Airlines is setting the bar high when it comes to bonus payouts. The carrier will reward its employees with a bonus worth nearly eight months of salary, a person familiar with the matter told CNN on Friday. The person asked not to be named because the information was not intended to be made public. Singapore Airlines did not respond to a request for comment. On Wednesday, the company reported a record annual net profit of $1.98 billion in the 2023 to 2024 fiscal year. “The demand for air travel remained buoyant” throughout the year boosted by a rebound in North Asia as China, Hong Kong, Japan and Taiwan fully reopened their borders after the pandemic, the airline said in its earnings statement. |
Without MOL would RYANAIR be the massive success story it is today? providing employment for thousands of people all over Europe. Such people should be well rewarded in contrast to many CEO's who seem to receive rich rewards for failure.
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"Without MOL would RYANAIR be the massive success story it is today?"
they'd be one of those long forgotten start-ups that occasionally appear in a question in the History thread....................... |
I have no doubts about MoL and his truly transformative approach that has made FR the great success it is. He deserves to be a multi millionaire.
But they could STILL give everyone a bonus or an above average pay rise for all the hard work that they put in. There would STILL be enough millions for the top table. But I have lived long enough to understand the world... |
4th aircraft for Shannon
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...-3-new-routes/ |
Does Buzz operate a 24/7 service? For example, I noticed flights arriving into Kos from various airports in Poland at around 6am which departed Poland at 2/3.00am.
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Yes, Buzz have charters in some polish bases.
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How is it possible to modify my email address within the app? Since I have replaced my mobile device, there now seems to be a completely different and false email address within my account information on the app, I’ve had to manually re-add all my bookings despite logging into the app successfully.
When looking at the same info on the website, my email address is correct, but now my bookings are not emailed to me… |
BRS to EGC
Why was the Ryanair flight from Bristol to Bergerac diverted to Limoges?
Thanks. |
Do Ryanair crews change aircraft at airports that they are not based at?
Just intrigued to know, for example, there is a Manchester based 737-MAX (EI-IGE) flying out to Malta this evening, but it looks like it then staying in Malta to perform some flights tomorrow, will the Manchester based crew stay in Malta overnight and come back tomorrow? Just wondering how this sort of thing works with Ryanair crews… |
Unlikely,
I would think it’s a down route aircraft swap so the crew will switch to another aircraft in Malta to fly it back to Manchester. Looks like a 738 is flying back instead of the MAX. |
Ryanair are recruiting for Cabin Crew at
birmingham and Manchester |
Originally Posted by P330
(Post 11910104)
Unlikely,
I would think it’s a down route aircraft swap so the crew will switch to another aircraft in Malta to fly it back to Manchester. Looks like a 738 is flying back instead of the MAX. |
Apologies. i messed up with the reply.
I think it’s a Malta based crew with the rotation originating in Malta. Flight arrived in Manchester this evening and then did an aircraft swap at Manchester for the return. |
Tail swapped in MAN EI-HEX for EI-IGE - Malta based crew
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Ryanair Fleet Replacement?
Of the 410 Boeing 737-800NG's in the Ryanair Group fleet, my understanding is that 154 of them have the Boeing Sky Interior (BSI), the oldest of which is just over 9.5 years old now.
Currently Ryanair Group still has 29 Boeing 737-8200's for delivery plus the 300 MAX10's they're hoping to start getting from 2027 until 2034 (it's anyone's guess as to how realistic that is). Theorectically, if Ryanair were to get rid of the A320 Lauda fleet plus all of the Boeing 737-800NG's without BSI with all the current orders fulfilled by then, my calcultation is that would take the total group fleet from 624 currently to 654 by 2034. That seems fairly modest still for Ryanair albeit 300 aircraft in theory would be larger MAX10 aircraft, so the seat capacity growth would be much higher. Bear in mind also by then, even the first NG's with BSI will be 18-19 years old, so wouldn't seem an unrealistic threshold for older aircraft to be retired. Aircraft delivery delays are of course meaning most airlines are having to hold onto older aircraft for much longer than they'd like to. But Ryanair, even with their significant order book, doesn't as yet seem to deliver an awful lot of scope for fleet replacement. Of course Ryanair could make an entirely new order to help replace older frames, but how realistically could Boeing deliver that along with existing orders? Ryanair will no doubt be hedging their bets also on other airlines cancelleing orders which they would want to take, but without that, I think we could still be seeing NGs in the Ryanair fleet probably well into the 2040s! |
Fleet
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Interesting how far ahead Wizzair with reducing pollution with their NEO engines.
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
(Post 11933912)
Of the 410 Boeing 737-800NG's in the Ryanair Group fleet, my understanding is that 154 of them have the Boeing Sky Interior (BSI), the oldest of which is just over 9.5 years old now.
Currently Ryanair Group still has 29 Boeing 737-8200's for delivery plus the 300 MAX10's they're hoping to start getting from 2027 until 2034 (it's anyone's guess as to how realistic that is). Theorectically, if Ryanair were to get rid of the A320 Lauda fleet plus all of the Boeing 737-800NG's without BSI with all the current orders fulfilled by then, my calcultation is that would take the total group fleet from 624 currently to 654 by 2034. That seems fairly modest still for Ryanair albeit 300 aircraft in theory would be larger MAX10 aircraft, so the seat capacity growth would be much higher. Bear in mind also by then, even the first NG's with BSI will be 18-19 years old, so wouldn't seem an unrealistic threshold for older aircraft to be retired. Aircraft delivery delays are of course meaning most airlines are having to hold onto older aircraft for much longer than they'd like to. But Ryanair, even with their significant order book, doesn't as yet seem to deliver an awful lot of scope for fleet replacement. Of course Ryanair could make an entirely new order to help replace older frames, but how realistically could Boeing deliver that along with existing orders? Ryanair will no doubt be hedging their bets also on other airlines cancelleing orders which they would want to take, but without that, I think we could still be seeing NGs in the Ryanair fleet probably well into the 2040s! All A320's will gone even earlier, but that's no surprise I guess. |
Albania
Finally Ryanair react https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...s-to-4-0m-p-a/
Have they left it late as Wizzair control the market already? |
Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11940125)
Finally Ryanair react https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...s-to-4-0m-p-a/
Have they left it late as Wizzair control the market already? |
I've raised this on the BHX thread as I'm confused....the timings indicate a BHX based aircraft. It can't be a W pattern as the inbound from.TIA doesn't land into BHX until 22.50 (on both days of operation), unless they are going into the night flight market.....
So as you correctly point out, this will (as the timings stand and assuming TIA-BHX is it's last flight of the day) have to be a RUK aircraft. Which means they must be basing a RUK aircraft at BHX next summer and we will see FR relaunch AGA and RAK (both of which had very high load factors of course yield I have no idea about) An Albanian subsidiary might also be a solution but what would that aircraft and crew do after landing into BHX at 22.50? Personally I think we will see re timings on this route and it become a W (eg MAN-TIA-BHX-TIA-MAN) or the timings stay the same and we see RUK arriving at BHX 👍 |
“Personally I think we will see re timings on this route and it become a W (eg MAN-TIA-BHX-TIA-MAN)”
Unless Ryanair plan a radical change of business model I can’t see this at all. The duty period would too long for a single crew to complete and would rely on a crew positioning via road between BHX and MAN, or nightstopping at one of those airports. The only doable W pattern I can envisage would be if FR decided to complete with EZY on the BFS route and do BFS-BHX-TIA-BHX-BFS. More likely RUK aircraft being based in BHX from summer 2026. |
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When is Ryanair expected to load summer 2026 flights from the UK and more specifically Liverpool and Manchester?
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The Spanish Airport operator is planning to increases charges by 6.5%...Ryanair's response seems to be a plan to cut a lot of UK frequencies this winter.
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Originally Posted by MANFAN
(Post 11948761)
When is Ryanair expected to load summer 2026 flights from the UK and more specifically Liverpool and Manchester?
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