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davidjohnson6 16th December 2021 18:40

Maybe a W route, EDI/ABZ-KOI-WIC-KOI-EDI/ABZ ? :)
Flying time from WIC to KOI is not exactly long...

Keeps the Orkney folk happy, and lets the Wickers know how valued they are... :oh:

Dalcrossflyer 16th December 2021 20:02


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11156976)
Maybe a W route, EDI/ABZ-KOI-WIC-KOI-EDI/ABZ ? :)
Flying time from WIC to KOI is not exactly long...

Keeps the Orkney folk happy, and lets the Wickers know how valued they are... :oh:

Pretty sure this wouldn’t be allowed on an PSO route, but never say never :-)

ATIS31 16th December 2021 20:10

Given the passenger numbers further back I would of thought an average of 23 passengers on a 30 seat Saab to Edinburgh would be not too bad a load. 10 or so passengers on the Eastern flights to Aberdeen which is about right given the prices they used to charge !

virginblue 19th December 2021 10:39


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11156863)
AIS Airlines would also not be permitted to bid for it because it's a UK route and EU-based airlines are no longer allowed to operate domestically within the UK due to Brexit; I do agree though that a Dornier Do-228, BAe Jetstream 31 or DHC-6 Twin Otter would likely be the most suitable aircraft.

Sure, that's why I said "like AIS Airlines". Realistically, if the UK keeps its PSO rules as they are, they will struggle to find anybody. The route obviously is only suited for a 20 seater operation - maybe a larger aircraft would work, but probably not for an airline operating at UK cost levels. It would require a cheaper Eastern European outfit like RAF Avia, Budapest Air Services, NyxAir or Transaviabaltika etc. They do quite a few PSOs in Sweden and Finland where there are no longer suitable local carriers.

Dalcrossflyer 23rd December 2021 12:32


Originally Posted by NickBarnes (Post 11156801)
Having worked for Loganair when they ran this route from Edinburgh, the loads were very woeful then at times hence why it went, I'd have a feeling not even with the funding they would be that interested.

Over recent times Loganair start and stop routes willy nilly. With Wick having been a solid base for decades I'm sure they can swallow their pride, carry out a PSO contract and serve the people of The North. (Even loganair aren't that daft and surely will be tempted with the dangling cash carrot)

bad bear 27th January 2022 15:23

I guess if anyone expressed interest in running flights from Wick there would be a press release of some sort. Given the closing date was 8 weeks ago it can't be looking good ? in fairness even Inverness is desperately quiet. how long does an airport continue without passengers ?

davidjohnson6 27th January 2022 17:04

I have sent an email as per the details on the Public Contracts Scotland website asking for details of whether there were any suitable bids and the intended contract awarding under Freedom of Information law. I would encourage others to do the same to put a bit of pressure for transparency on Aberdeen City Council or Highland Council
As an aide-memoire, the public request for bids is at
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=OCT429822

Freedom of Information law in Scotland is discussed at
https://www.itspublicknowledge.info/...gislation.aspx
https://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/med...requesters.pdf

davidjohnson6 28th January 2022 13:14

Done a bit of digging - been told there was at least one bid, and an announcement will be made next week, probably Tuesday
I hope HIAL have booked a big enough conference room for all the journalists who will want to attend

Richard Taylor 28th January 2022 14:25


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11176558)
Done a bit of digging - been told there was at least one bid, and an announcement will be made next week, probably Tuesday
I hope HIAL have booked a big enough conference room for all the journalists who will want to attend

It'll be live from outside the John O'Groats sign! :}

davidjohnson6 1st February 2022 14:28

Contract evaluation to continue until second half of February. Public announcement might be made in February... or might be delayed further

davidjohnson6 17th February 2022 14:27

Announcement now due on Monday 28 February, with first flight on Monday 04 April

ATIS31 17th February 2022 20:54

Any Idea who has taken it on ?

fjencl 23rd February 2022 09:35

It's Eastern Airways
 
Scheduled flights restart from Wick John O’ Groats Airport with year-round air link between Caithness and Aberdeen secured in new deal | The Highland Council


Atlantic Explorer 23rd February 2022 10:28

Oh dear. They managed to kill the route before, they now have even less operational aircraft. Can’t see this ending well.

ATIS31 23rd February 2022 10:51


Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer (Post 11188667)
Oh dear. They managed to kill the route before, they now have even less operational aircraft. Can’t see this ending well.

At least the price is more sensible now

inOban 23rd February 2022 11:37

The price to the PAX or the price to the the taxpayer?

SealinkBF 23rd February 2022 11:41


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 11188704)
The price to the PAX or the price to the the taxpayer?

Ouch :8 From John O' Groat Journal: It will be funded by £1 million from Transport Scotland and £300,000 a year from Highland Council.

Flights start at £39.99 each way, with up to three per day. And a Sunday service. This is better than the previous service. A shame onward connectivity to say, BA is missing.

davidjohnson6 23rd February 2022 15:03

The contract for Wick-Edinburgh flights was not able to be awarded. It might be readvertised at a later date

inOban 23rd February 2022 15:07

There is an arguable need for the Aberdeen service as there will be some NHS patients who need to access services in Aberdeen which aren't available in Inverness. Not sure about Edinburgh.

davidjohnson6 17th March 2022 17:15

Eastern will be paid £ 4,296,449.00 for flying the Aberdeen-Wick route over 3 years. Any VAT (if it exists) is extra
Apart from Eastern, there was one other (unnamed) bidder - it was not from an EU member state, so the other bidder is presumably a UK airline
https://www.publiccontractsscotland....x?ID=MAR442915

Assuming 12 round trips per week, this comes to £1,150 of subsidy per one way flight


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