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LTNman 31st October 2005 04:58

All passengers will pass through a reception centre for terminal 1 and terminal 2, to be located in the midterm car park which is firmly inside the old boundary so I guess there is no way to avoid a fee. Also expect to see a boundary change to encompass a bigger airport.

Lets not forget either that a change of Government could kill off these long term plans

antilla 31st October 2005 08:06

Interesting point, LTNman.

Does that mean that LBC will itself buy the land that is needed for the new airport? It surely won't be enough just to move the borough boundary - LBC will have to own the land to be able to bring it into a new concession agreement.

Has LBC even got the money to buy the land if its budgets are so stretched at the moment?

Could ACDL and LBC end up in a bidding war for ownership of the relevant pieces of land - and would any secret agreement between them to avoid bidding against each other be legal?

And what about the business case for the new development if the Airport operators are only making a profit of a couple of million pounds a year? Who would invest in a project with a 600-year payback time?

Powerjet1 31st October 2005 08:54

With Monarch launching new routes between Malaga & Aberdeen/Newquay/Blackpool from November, LTN was supposed to see an extra three Malaga flights on Tue/Thur/Sun, bringing the total to 11 weekly. It looks like this has changed. In Nov, there appears to an exta flight on a sat/sun, while Dec only sees an extra flight on a sat, apart from Xmas week. For the rest of the winter it is only Sat that has one extra flight. So instead of 11 weekly, apart from a few odd days. it is really nine weekly to AGP.

Buster the Bear 31st October 2005 21:19

Powerjet1, now we have Spotty M adding to the previous easyJet extra 3 airframes rubbish?

The recent 'FL overthrow of Stelios' rumours have sent ripples right through the 'shrink wrapped' orange cabins!

Are the other so called 'Lo-Co's' running for cover now that the Harp's are in force? Or is there a pact between blue jeans and MOL?

Nice to see MOL backing the Olympic Games, well Luton's bid anyway!

Powerjet1 1st November 2005 05:41

Buster, certainly seems that way.

Looking again, I think my previous post was slightly wrong. There are still eight flights weekly to AGP by MON, not nine, for the winter. It looks like the three 'extra flights' that were going to be operated by the based AGP are aircraft, are not happening. Note. Just received an email from MON confirming the 3 extra flights between LTN-AGPhave been abandoned.

Re easy, how many based aircraft do they currently have at LTN. Is it 13,14 or ?.

Are First Choice still opening a crew base at LTN this winter with a based 320.

nickmanl 1st November 2005 10:15

Regarding the land at Junction 10, I have heard the sticking point regarding Luton Town football club and the owner is not the price of the land, but how the money will be paid. LTFC want to pay upfront but the owner wants it down in installments.

This land will not be sold to the airport.

Another question, I know its trivial, but will Luton's website ever announce the BMI regional service? I thought they'd be shouting from the roof tops about it!

OLNEY 1 BRAVO 1st November 2005 11:47

Based First Choice A320
 
Powerjet 1 - yes .. the aircraft postions up from Gatwick this afternoon. The based Canadian aircraft undertook it's last Summer Season flight yesterday and then positioned to Manchester.

Powerjet1 1st November 2005 13:29

Easy opened their new state of the art training academy at Ltn yesterday.

Helios winter schedules seems to have held up well, despite recent tragic events. Daily flights to LCA for the winter ex sat, three via PFO.

LTNman 1st November 2005 14:50


Regarding the land at Junction 10, I have heard the sticking point regarding Luton Town football club and the owner is not the price of the land, but how the money will be paid. LTFC want to pay upfront but the owner wants it down in installments.
It was announced on the BBC that the football stadium will now not be built at junction 10 due the proposed new runway and its safety zone.

Powerjet1 1st November 2005 15:16

That's right. The new runway would cause the edge of the public safety zone to fall right over the stadium development at jct 10. It looks as if the Hatters will not now be pursuing a new stadium here, but have been in talks for land slightly further north, adjacent jct 12.

Any further north and they will be skirting Milton Keynes.

LTNman 1st November 2005 16:26

Chicken and the egg? If the football club built a football stadium first would this stop the new runway? If the airport built a runway first would this stop the stadium?

Clearly talks have been going on behind the scenes. In the project 2030 documentation it mentions a park and ride scheme for junction 10.

Buster the Bear 1st November 2005 19:55

Page 84 of the proposal signs the death warrant for the new ground! Club are not prepared to take a planning application risk ahead of the submission of the airports formal planning application in 2007.

Never mind, Junction 12 here we come!

PAXboy 1st November 2005 20:44

Buster

The airport part is not considered to be an Area of Oustanding Natural Beauty
No $hit? :}

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"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different." Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

Buster the Bear 1st November 2005 21:26

If Buster was lurking within the trees south of the existing runway, then it probably would be!

LTNman 2nd November 2005 04:56

It’s very easy to support something that doesn’t directly affect us in our home lives and in an area south of the existing runway that most of us probably don’t know very well. . While I don’t have any sympathy with people living in Breachwood Green who chose to live in the flight path of an airport I do have sympathy with people who didn’t and now find their homes threatened with destruction or with noise pollution. There is probably a NIMBY in all of us if we admitted the truth.

Buster the Bear 2nd November 2005 08:53

In my opinion, the word 'Green Belt' is meaningless now that the Deputy PM has sanctioned thousands of homes to be built to the west of the A1 and Stevenage.

I understood that quite a number of the homes south side of the runway are rented, so many will not 'lose thier home'?

I would not be very impressed if I lived in Peter's Green!

King Pong 2nd November 2005 12:46

I see that the concrete batching plant that was located next to the cargo centre was taken down and removed yesterday after taking up residence for several years. I guess there are no immediate plans to lay anymore concrete.

DDF 2nd November 2005 13:03

Word is easyJet are moving all of easyLand into H89 the former Britannia building within the next 12 months

Powerjet1 2nd November 2005 13:58

DDF

Details of the move all announced on easy's website today. Will free up even more space for aircraft parking stands to be built.

LGS6753 2nd November 2005 15:11

This is excellent news as it opens up a large parcel of land from the taxiway underpass to the South Stands and the East Apron. There's room there for a massive terminal extension, a multi-storey car park, six-nine more aircraft stands, two piers or a compound for bears exiled from Whipsnade!!


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