OK, is the runway long enough for fully loaded EMB 195s when its hot.

>OK, is the runway long enough for fully loaded EMB 195s when its hot.

Yes, is the short answer.

Their performance is actually quite superb, and a fully-laden 195 has a range of approx 2500 miles from SOU, which I believe takes it to North Africa.

flyBE have looked into this very carefully... frankly, they simply would not have chosen an aircraft that would mean losing routes from one of it's most successful hubs.

Surely N Africa is a lot less than 2500NM from SOU.

If correct that puts places well outside of normal lo-co business models within range (eg, TFS without a tech-stop...impressive if true).

Only worry then is where to park 'em all - think only the cul-de-sac stands at SOU are any good due proximity of others to runway critical area.

Not sure where they got that one from... ERJ-195 published figures show 1,400nm range with max passengers at long range cruise speed, 1,800nm for the 'LR' version.

Have Flybe gone for the LR? If so SOU-TFS is (just) within range, runway permitting.

That's perf data for the standard GE engines. Flybe have chosen the uprated versions for this very reason.

Wycombe, You are quite right about the cul-de-sac parking arrangement - since BAA changed stands 8-10 for 5 nose in stands (meaning that higher tail fins protrude into the critical area) the only appropriate stands are those left round the corner, ie stands 2-5 which is enough if they replace each of the 4-based 146's for a new embraer. But hey, lookin at the airport plans those new remote stands should be built within a few years.

T

Localiser Green "runway permitting"

From what Embraer currently put out on their website, the SOU runway will permit SOU to GLA/EDI with full load, but not a lot more.

Being concerned for my continued employment, I, together with a number of others have asked Embraer what performance improvements they are going to come up with. This has resulted in a "no comment" citing the fact that the ERJ 195 is not yet certified and they will not release any performance figures until it is.

With a combination of the up-rated engines and some software changes to provide an intermediate take-off flap setting, as they did with the ERJ 145 (to make it work at SOU) the southern Spain destinations (AGP/ALC/MJV) could be workable from SOU, but anything more appears at the moment to be speculation. Hopefully Flybe have been guaranteed more, time will tell.

If BAA wants to keep Flybe at SOU, and remain a viable business, they hopefully are now pursuing land purchases to the north of the airport to remove the large railway sheds (apparently now empty and redundant) and thereby remove a 02 take-off obstacle, and secondly the rail sidings adjoining the northern boundary fence, to permit the runway to be displaced northwards to enable compliance with the CAA recommended 240 metre Runway End Safety Area at the south end, and avoid dumping another aircraft on the M27 while improving the 20 take-off obstacle environment, to permit increased take-off weights.

Maybe its time to start a new thread, "Can SOU survive the ERJ 195"?

Has anyone by chance confused Km with Nm. A 2500nm range with a full load out of SOU sounds out of this world. A 2500Km range is reasonable.

Bournemouth is now on the EZY destinations map. ;)

>Maybe its time to start a new thread, "Can SOU survive the ERJ 195"?

TCAS FAN, I know for a fact that flyBE have looked into the 195 performance out of SOU, including consulting BAA's own technical people, and that the 195 can operate all existing routes and some new besides, based on the configuration they have chosen, and SOU's existing obstacles etc, etc.

Forestflyer

Lets hope that wet runways figures in their calcualtions, BRAL learn't to their peril that application JAR-OPS criteria ended up with them having to off-load PAX on the EDI/GLA flights, until the intermediate flap setting was certified.

Good luck to Flybe, lets hope that the "technical people" at SOU can now sort out the obstacle situation north end (ie the sheds) and south end (the large fir trees) and enable Flybe to use the '195 to its apparent real potential.

Looking forward to certification of the '195 and Embrarer impressing us all with the take-off performance data, should be a real winner if it really is a BAe146/RJ replacement.

Just in case anybody was thinking of visiting Southampton
BAA have just increased there car Park Charges AGAIN from 22/8

About 1:50pm yesterday (Tues) afternoon i saw a FlyBe. Dash8-Q400 on approach into BOH, is this a charter operation or diversion or something?

Flybe use BOH for training the new guys on the Q400. Circuits, ILS, holds and the like.

If it was late at night however, then it was probably a diversion because SOU was shut.

T

Thomsonfly are holding a recruitment day on the 24th September. Does anyone know if this is to do with launching new routes in the new year?

This might help

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=181949

Thomsonfly have started uploading their summer 2006 schedule and Alicante is new operating 5 flights per week. Palma looses the wednesday flight and Malaga remains daily. Other routes to follow hopefully with a few newones.

The Thomson Holiday website is offering holidays to the Algarve next summer on Thurs & Sun and the flight times there would need the basing of a 3rd aircraft to achieve the schedules.

Fingers crossed. More routes to follow.

When they wake up in the bunker they will realise that being at BOH is a financial disaster. By then Palmair would be long gone. The airport is a"local airport" it has poor road links and public transport is a joke. 50% of the catchment area is water and to the North forest. There is a limited catchment area that could be easily be persuaded to go to another close by airport based on the price of a ticket.

Palmair have for many years seen off the competition but this time deep German pockets rule the roost.

I wonder if the great Manchester team can translate their undoubted skills to a corner shop. It is a bit like asking Stuart Rose to run your local newsagent. They do not understand the difference between a supermarket and a local corner (airport) shop.

By the way before I do not and never have worked for the Baths but I have watched regional airports and their inept management for years.

Bring back Harry Longhurst quickly

Girt Big Un... from one of your previous posts...

'Please can you all try and support those business men that risk their money to keep the rest of us plebs in work and not knock them'.

This is a thread about news and rumours, if you want to start a 'lets bash BOH thread' then go ahead. Otherwise take your own advice.

If BOH was such a disaster then Ryanair would have left long ago and Palmair would have moved up the road to SOU.

Re your points.

Over 4 million people live within a 90 minute drive of BOH.

Nearly 1 million passengers will use BOH in 2005

Over 1.25 million will use the airport in 2006.

Yes BOH does need improved access and a new terminal, but these are all in the pipeline and because BOH is not attracting business travellers it doesn't matter that you don't have a railway station on your doorstep. The majority of people still arrive at airports in cars.

August was BOH's best month ever handling 97,056 passengers. Thats an increase of 42% on 2004.

Loads were good on most routes and TOM averaged 80% across there BOH network with Malaga and Faro being 88%.

Ryanair also had an excellent month with Girona being the strongest performer on 92% carrying 10,812.

All looks good for the future. :ok:

Excellent news for everyone at Bournemouth :ok:

Anyone have any idea to new Thomsonfly destinations for Summer 2006 from BOH?