Flybe v3?
 

It appears that there may be a third attempt rising from the ashes.

www.beregional.uk

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/15645806

I can’t see it happening. Director, and majority shareholder, is 73 year olds according to Companies House. Quick google search shows there is a John Chilman who is a senior member on the pensions advisory board.. doesn’t appear to be the same person. Let’s hope not anyways.

Below taken from their LinkedIn page:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8a728b304.jpeg

They refer to "beregional Ltd". A quick google search suggests there is no such company registered (yet) at Companies House and I couldn't find the business on the Linkedin site.

Hopefully this is another bored teenager in their bedroom.

One of the names registered is active on this site. Hopefully he’ll come forward and provide some background/explanation.

The LinkedIn page appears to be a copy of Flybe’s brand guidelines…

From the Companies House website

https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/15645806

https://find-and-update.company-info...Y/appointments

Link gives date of birth April 51 and occupation as Aircraft Engineer

beregional. I like the name. Credit to whoever came up it.

It would have helped if I'd searched for "Limited" rather than "Ltd". Stupid boy!

Perhaps they can join forces with Asquith to feed his A380 operation?

In isolation, I'd agree but do you really want to be associated with the Flybe brand? It's not just the name but the font/colour in the logo etc

Some things are just not meant to be, and this is one of them. BERegional starts with the right three letters - it’s Beyond Economic Repair for sure.

One of the directors is indeed active on this site BA318 - and the criticism is all taken in good humour I must say!

This isn't some outlandish attempt to create a new airline from scratch - at the moment the plan is very simply to begin presenting the name so that we can continue attracting industry professionals to steer the company further. There does remain some very focused regional demand which we believe can be filled, but if something does come of it, it will be a very long-term and small-scale venture. We are making moves, but nothing irreversible as yet. Expect to hear much the same in a subsequent press release.

The Flybe comments are well-received too, and rest assured that this isn't a Flybe MK3 and while the name will stay as it is currently, the logo almost certainly won't. Please do get in touch with me if anybody has any more to offer/add.

There's a lot of money to be made out of regional airlines. The staff of Flybe 2 are still waiting to be paid the money they are owed and yet the administrators have already racked up 1.9 million in administration fees. :rolleyes:

Cardiff airport was massively affected since Flybe and has never recovered its domestic flying since then. There would be a market for flying, whether this ‘potential’ airline sees that demand is another matter

Would it just be better to buy out Eastern Airways? A ready made Airline that doesn't appear to be very well run or know where it wants to go. Everything setup ready to go, aircraft, maintenance, bases. Just needs the right Management.

Think we can safely put this one to bed and move on!

I remember starting a regional airline back in 1999 with a colleague who is sadly no longer with us and a member here offering to eat his hat if ever it got off the ground.
Do hope he put ketchup on it
I wouldn't right off any venture until you know ALL the facts, hope their desires work out.
Don't follow the heard, plenty of niche and profitable opportunities still exist I am sure.
​​​​​​73 is still in your prime by the way!

No No No No No and again NO

I'm intrigued. Although I don't know the identity of anyone posting on here, the guy listed as the lead for this new venture also has on his career profile that until last month he "Advised the board of a UK regional startup on strategy ahead of launch. The company did not ultimately progress to AOC and commercial launch despite having had a team of experienced leaders in place." With lots of stuff about ecoJet in the recent past and it looking to have gone very quiet on that front, is ecoJet still planning to launch as well as a possible Flybe 3?

Credit where it's due at least they stress this is a study of feasibility which is a lot more than most seem to do these days
Good luck to them.

Very much respect your posts on here but I'm afraid that's a leap of logic, even if a plausible one. We've scaled back the beregional messaging to simply reflect more accurately its true current nature - an assessment of demand and opportunities for a possible future airline. And Ecojet is still very much happening - according to the CAA site they have an ongoing CAMO application.

Name your top 5, and gimme 3 out of a single base to give yourself a fighting chance.
(that Loganair, Emerald and Eastern aren't profiting from right now.)

Fair enough - 2+2 doesn't equal 4 in this case. They haven't got an ongoing AOC application though, which is rather important if you wish to launch an airline. Unless you're going to buy another airline which already has one, of course.

Would willingly do so following a study and that's the point.Here we have someone openly saying they are doing just that and ,,,,"experts",,,, are righting them off already.
I remember a gentleman called Stelios who said to me "You know everyone thinks I am mad and shouldn't do this"

I agree, I called easyJet completely wrong, GLA-LTN was a non-market in 1995, and Ryanair has just joined the big league with refurbished B737-200s. BUT that was cutting a swathe into new territory, THIS is doing the same thing that was done before with the same aircraft type (Q400 or ATR) in a new world where the old rules, the traditional ways of doing things no longer apply. BA didn't realise that exact thing even when they launched and then sold GO to er....easyJet! This notion is trying to bring the old world back using the old ways, Stelios threw a bomb under the old way and with MOL built out a whole new market.

I can only give a historical perspective on this but in 2019 CFR, BES, GRQ and RNS generated 122,000 pax from SEN. I was involved in setting up the CFR route and had knowledge of the GRQ and RNS deals so know that those routes were financially viable at that time.

Could the aeroplane shown be misleading? You are of course quite right there is no point trying to follow the trodden path littered with failures, it has to be something different.
iF you want niche look at Skybus and similar examples, I still believe there may be a place for under 20 seat aeroplanes to operate economically and profitably. In a few years they may be electric too!
For example and it is an unproven one, to drive from NQY to BRS takes hours, CWL even longer so why not look at a small aeroplane operating those sorts of distance without trying to be at easyJet prices. This is an example not a suggested money spinner.
No harm at all in evaluating the possibilities which seems to be what is happening here. I don't see the reason for mass negativity of someone investigating the market.
I nor anyone else can say what may or may not work without investigating first.

I can understand the scepticism on here, but take a step back for a moment. FlyBe 1.0 failed with a fleet which had reduced to around 70 aircraft from over 80; the company operated from multiple bases and seemingly tried to be all things to all customers. That was too much to sustain, but the failure doesn't mean that everything the company did was a financial calamity. The standout for me is the vacant Manchester to Southampton route. It is unlikely to support six return flights daily with Q400's / E195's again ... but two or three daily pitched with sensible pricing really ought to be a winner. I know that folks will reply that the business market isn't what it was pre-covid and that's true, but the overland journey by train is hopelessly unreliable and eyewateringly expensive. The road journey is a slog. So this is a route which appeals to VFR traffic and those joining / leaving cruise ships, amongst others. A case can be made for Manchester to Exeter too ... not at the previous 4 x daily, but certainly at least once daily. And Southend ... those Stobart ATR72's ran up too many EU261 liabilities due to over-ambitious scheduling; underlying demand looked healthy on the Manchester route at least. Manchester to London rail services are in the news again just today for being terrible, and we all know that HS2 isn't riding to the rescue. Capacity is needed, and slots won't be allocated at LHR / LCY. Any new operator won't be looking to occupy a 70-strong fleet. Opportunities are there for a small, well-managed operation focused on corridors where the rail alternative is in long-term disarray.

Expectation
 

Beregional hope to be operational before 2026 and have 15 aircraft within 12 months with it restoring regional stability destinations within the Uk

Could Virgin Connect be revived? Not necessarily suggesting Virgin ownership, but a strong partnership providing connections to LHR/MAN long haul routes using E175/A220-100 sized aircraft. Win-win.

How much money would you put in? :confused:

and where are these LHR slots coming from? And the funding to make marginal routes pay for E175s/A221. BMI couldn’t do it. Flybe couldn’t do. Virgin Little Red couldn’t do it. It isn’t going to happen.

Remains hard to believe that MAN-SOU is still unserved. The route was for years SOU busiest in pax terms with over 200k. Assume not as profitable now but expected LM/EZY to bring it back by running a daily.

It doesn't have to be focused on LHR.

Routes like MAN-SOU/EXT/ABZ/BES/RNS could definitely work with well timed connections on to MCO/JFK/LAS/BGI or wherever Virgin will serve by the time this launches.

Once again, not suggesting an operation structured AROUND Virgin just a comprehensive codeshare agreement, give Virgin the feed they sorely need which would also give this startup a boost !

LM have applied for 3x daily in the past 12 months but remains to be seen whether they will revisit these plans

Virgin has had (and still has!) the opportunity to take MAN feeds from the likes of ABZ, INV, IOM and NQY from Loganair but it has never happened. Quite they’d hitch their cart to this particular donkey for MAN feed which they could already be getting elsewhere is beyond me.

Loganair are already tied in with EI and even SQ on IAH (ABZ connections are rather fruitful) - doubt they would jump ship to Virgin now

There's nothing stopping a carrier having multiple codeshares. BMI used to have tens on every flight. The reality remains that feeding other carriers don't really pay the bills. Often the shorter leg gets a minimal fee.

The triumph of hope over expectation. Who used to get an aeroplane from MAN-SOU? Business travellers. Who works from home via Zoom now? Those same guys. The SOU thread pummels Loganair as being two expensive, especially with an easyJet alternative. Any new regional turboprop operator isn't going to be a whole lot cheaper. The guys who paid top dollar to fly now don't need to fly, the rest can't believe how expensive flying on an ATR/Q400 actually is.

Some of the MAN guys are rightly astonished that their domestic connectivity is a pale shadow of days gone by, those glory days ain't coming back, there's not enough business demand to drive frequency. We all just watched Zombie Flybe try this! WHAT DID WE LEARN? And codesharing to long haul is icing on the cake, BUT you need strong core point to point business at a high enough price point. Is that there anymore? Little evidence that I can see. It was the ERJ175 that drove the debts of the original flybe, high costs and not enough high yield business, that model was wrong then and it's even less relevant today.

Actually it was the E195s that were sick all the time. The ATRs were very reliable. Quite often if the ATR schedule went haywire it was because they’d been sent out on a 195 route.

Overall demand on SEN-MAN wasn’t strong enough. I used it quite a lot. For the first year or so loads were all over the place. Some laughably empty, some nearing full. Numbers were inflated through a reasonable number of connecting pax, either through MAN to other BE domestic/IOM/CI destinations, or through SEN particularly to Antwerp and Rennes as the times matched well in both directions.

In the end months they increased prices significantly which interestingly matched those of Loganair who went on to launch Scottish routes soon after. I had a theory they were trying to get Logan to take the route on. Anyway, during that time my loads were consistently around 20 and I think overall CAA stats mirrored that. SEN-MAN might work on a theoretical 20-seat outfit. It’s not a route that will work on a larger prop or jet, regardless of the state of the trains.

Flybe V3
 

This is clearly a joke - ha ha
O r delusion - oh dear

A lot of domestic routes are being constrained by over-zealous pricing. Look at routes like LTN-EDI/GLA/ABZ, pax numbers at or above 2019 levels. A similar story can be seen for BRS domestic routes where yields aren't being squeezed. Yes, there are are a lot of zoom/teams calls taking place but businesses still want to go and meet people face-to-face. There are definitely opportunities for unserved citypairs and routes that are being milked. As for "Zombie Flybe" the reason for the collapse was a lunatic CEO who had been told by "experts" (a couple of contributors on here spring to mind) who told him there was a fortune to be made out of LHR and AMS slots. There wasn't and a profitable domestic network was sacrificed to maintain the remedy slots due incompetence on the aircraft delivery side.

Skip - You are so predictable. MAN-SOU was NOT, REPEAT NOT all business travellers. There was alot of VFR on those flights as well (including myself and friends quite frequently). Southampton is not an easy journey from the NW. Accessing Southampton cruises is also a factor. And business travel - whilst significantly reduced (as I said) - is not entirely extinct. Business travel is reduced, not dead. And not all business travel relates to office meetings either. Merchant marine crew fly to join ships, engineers fly to worksites where their specific expertise is needed. Your thinking on 'business travel' is two-dimensional. As for your comment: "We just watched Zombie FlyBe try this! WHAT DID WE LEARN?" - we have just learned that you didn't pay attention, so you need to do your homework before condescendingly talking down to "the MAN guys" with your customary dismissive contempt. FlyBe 2.0 DID NOT offer any presence on SOU-MAN. They never offered that route. Neither were they on the other two routes I highlighted.

Another "much loved" carrier occupied the SOU-MAN route for a while, but they consolidated advertised frequencies from twice to once a day at different times, frequently cancelled flights and suspended services altogether for weeks at a time. All whilst charging fares one could fly MAN-JFK for. Customers who booked them in the early stages soon gave up on them. Reliability tends to be rather important, especially at an premium price point.