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eye2eye5 20th Apr 2022 15:04

CAA data will show you, but always published a month or so in arrears.

TBSC 20th Apr 2022 15:30


Originally Posted by egcntristar (Post 11217481)
The partnership with Wizz will bear many fruits in the coming years, much more than chasing the odd Ryanair route.

Quite some airports thought the same. Poznan, Tirgu Mures, Kosice, Riga, Lublin, Prague, Oslo, Bergen, Dortmund, Trondheim, just to mention the ones which were bases.

SWBKCB 20th Apr 2022 15:46


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11218435)
Quite some airports thought the same. Poznan, Tirgu Mures, Kosice, Riga, Lublin, Prague, Oslo, Bergen, Dortmund, Trondheim, just to mention the ones which were bases.

And you could produce a similar list for every other LCC

EGPO 20th Apr 2022 17:19


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11218435)
Quite some airports thought the same. Poznan, Tirgu Mures, Kosice, Riga, Lublin, Prague, Oslo, Bergen, Dortmund, Trondheim, just to mention the ones which were bases.

May be a silly question but what happened with these bases?.
I note some are also covered by air Baltic which is expanding , even as it leases aircraft , to cover routes temporarily ( in their view) , lost due to the conflict .
But with many having Air baltic , and Ryanair , if Wizzair have not fulfilled promises , is that down to other Airlines, competing on the same routes ?.

TBSC 20th Apr 2022 19:32


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11218441)
And you could produce a similar list for every other LCC

Exactly. That's why you shouldn't put all your eggs in the same basked and chase even the odd Ryanair route.

TBSC 20th Apr 2022 19:44


Originally Posted by EGPO (Post 11218469)
May be a silly question but what happened with these bases?

Prague: poor commercial performance for strong competition.
Oslo, Trondheim: those cheeky norwegians demanded fair employment practices;
Tirgu Mures: got shafted in favor of the nearby Cluj;
Dortmund: not suitable to be a base (short runway - A320 only, no A321 + night curfew without exemptions, they close the airport on
the hour even if you are already lined up for take-off). Every operator abandoned it as a base, Wizz said hold my beer. Suprise: failure.
Lublin, Kosice: only god knows, Wizz was more or less the main operator (DSA beware);
Riga, Poznan: god knows why again, long existing, established bases closed after years of extensive operations with 2-3 aircraft (ditto).

Wizz only need an airport as long as another one offers more money or they need the capacity to be moved to the next visionary project.
See Coventry, Southend, Stansted, Prestwick, Teesside, Bournemouth, Cork and the likes.

USERNAME_ 24th Apr 2022 06:26

Looks like Wizz have been having a rough time with on time performance recently.
Seems like everyday it’s a constant shuffle of Luton and Gatwick based cabin crews getting taxied up and down to make up the numbers, which inevitably leads to delays.

TimmyW 24th Apr 2022 08:54


Originally Posted by USERNAME_ (Post 11220146)
Looks like Wizz have been having a rough time with on time performance recently.
Seems like everyday it’s a constant shuffle of Luton and Gatwick based cabin crews getting taxied up and down to make up the numbers, which inevitably leads to delays.

They are having a huge issue recruiting for the Doncaster base.


What I find strange is Wizz have no more recruitment days planned for Doncaster.

TBSC 24th Apr 2022 18:49


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11220187)
What I find strange is Wizz have no more recruitment days planned for Doncaster.

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TimmyW 25th Apr 2022 11:35

Not a great situation.

Something will have to give somewhere. Surprised that looking at the Wizz website, there are no more recruitment days planned for Doncaster, but there are for the other UK bases.

egcntristar 25th Apr 2022 15:54


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11220664)
Not a great situation.

Something will have to give somewhere. Surprised that looking at the Wizz website, there are no more recruitment days planned for Doncaster, but there are for the other UK bases.

I take it you arent recruiting (or involved in a role) for filling vacancies currently? The past six months has been a nightmare for all industries and I include myself as someone with vacancies to fill. Wages have gone up 30-50% and still can't be filled. As for roles which are paid poorly then it will be even harder to attract quality candidates as per other section posts.

Rob732 25th Apr 2022 20:50

Currently sat in PMI waiting for the late Wizz back to DSA. Wizz seem to be doing the best they can to keep the show on the road, pax regularly updated, refreshments etc. I guess any recent recruits may not come on line for a few more weeks, until training, clearance complete etc. Time will tell I guess.

TimmyW 25th Apr 2022 22:24


Originally Posted by egcntristar (Post 11220802)
I take it you arent recruiting (or involved in a role) for filling vacancies currently? The past six months has been a nightmare for all industries and I include myself as someone with vacancies to fill. Wages have gone up 30-50% and still can't be filled. As for roles which are paid poorly then it will be even harder to attract quality candidates as per other section posts.

Then why no recruitment planned for Doncaster?

And they seem to be running the Cardiff base with no issues. No delays or mass cancelling of the summer schedule.

davidjpowell 26th Apr 2022 00:38

Sundays Florida flight was interesting. Something was missed in security and as a result the whole plane was debosrded and put through security again.

it was interesting to see how quickly they can work..

egcntristar 26th Apr 2022 11:10


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11220954)
Then why no recruitment planned for Doncaster?

And they seem to be running the Cardiff base with no issues. No delays or mass cancelling of the summer schedule.

They may feel they have enough staff on stream, who knows. Whats with the micro analysis it makes no odds to you.

TimmyW 3rd May 2022 07:47

Really had to laugh at this article:

https://www.cityam.com/wizz-air-uk-n...aff-shortages/

No flights cancelled and will operate at 100% capacity this summer.

Hundreds of passengers at Doncaster will tell a different story.


N707ZS 3rd May 2022 10:21

If you don't like Wizz Timmy they would be very welcome to come and move back to Teesside.

TBSC 3rd May 2022 10:22


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11224430)
Really had to laugh at this article:

https://www.cityam.com/wizz-air-uk-n...aff-shortages/

No flights cancelled and will operate at 100% capacity this summer.

Hundreds of passengers at Doncaster will tell a different story.

So does the fact that the chief pilot and the chief purser of Wizz Air UK (not their exact titles but the meaning is the same) resigned.

USERNAME_ 3rd May 2022 14:06


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11224495)
So does the fact that the chief pilot and the chief purser of Wizz Air UK (not their exact titles but the meaning is the same) resigned.

+ an average of 15 cabin crew handing in their notice per week, nearly all LTN based.

That number doesn’t include the ones who just stop showing up, with no notice to the company.

Buster the Bear 3rd May 2022 22:23

That number doesn’t include the ones who just stop showing up, with no notice to the company.

I assume their contract permits this?

Buster the Bear 4th May 2022 10:21

Cancun by TUI

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...ster-sheffield

Buster the Bear 10th May 2022 11:08

https://uasweekly.com/2022/05/09/2ex...vil-observers/

LTNman 3rd Jun 2022 14:36

Wizz has announced that it is cancelling “a large number of flights” from Doncaster Sheffield Airport from 10 June onwards.

The airline says the move is “a result of Doncaster Sheffield Airport indicating that it is unable to guarantee the terms of its commercial agreement with Wizz Air”.



TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 14:41


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11240146)
Wizz has announced that it is cancelling “a large number of flights” from Doncaster Sheffield Airport from 10 June onwards.

The airline says the move is “a result of Doncaster Sheffield Airport indicating that it is unable to guarantee the terms of its commercial agreement with Wizz Air”.

One of the final nails in DSAs coffin IMO


SWBKCB 3rd Jun 2022 14:53


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11240146)
The airline says the move is “a result of Doncaster Sheffield Airport indicating that it is unable to guarantee the terms of its commercial agreement with Wizz Air”.

Be interesting to see what DSA's response to that statement is.

Looks like its the Sun flights which have gone, the East European remaining.

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 15:03


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11240160)
Be interesting to see what DSA's response to that statement is.

Looks like its the Sun flights which have gone, the East European remaining.

I'll keep saying it there's zero demand from Doncaster. Most of the sun flights were less than half full
from a DSA perspective, they've spent almost ten million upgrading the terminal for the Wizz base. What now? Other than TUI no one will touch the place.

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 16:35

I think it's clear the issues here are more DSA related. Wizz have said as much in their presser.

Let's not forget the head guy at the airport quit not long ago, and unless I've missed it hasn't been replaced.

I wouldn't be surprised to see more bad news coming out of DSA before the end of the year.


TBSC 3rd Jun 2022 16:44

Yes, Wizz Air's press releases are never bollocks. Maybe the airport should calculate the amount of delay caused by Wizz being unable to crew the base. Which won't be a problem from mid-June, miraculously.

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 16:48


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11240226)
Yes, Wizz Air's press releases are never bollocks. Maybe the airport should calculate the amount of delay caused by Wizz being unable to crew the base. Which won't be a problem from mid-June, miraculously.


​​​​​​Regardless of blame there's only one loser and it's DSA. Who else is going to step in to pick up the pieces? Every possible runner has already been, and gone.
​​​​​​
Wizz were the only chance of building a decent offering out of DSA. How sustainable is a TUI base of a few aircraft for the long term? Or will Peel just cut and run and concentrate on the land?

TBSC 3rd Jun 2022 16:57

Unfortunately I don't know but anyone who considered Wizz the saviour of DSA was gravely wrong. Scroll back a bit and read what I said a few weeks ago. It happened awfully quickly.

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 17:28


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11240235)
Unfortunately I don't know but anyone who considered Wizz the saviour of DSA was gravely wrong. Scroll back a bit and read what I said a few weeks ago. It happened awfully quickly.

Twitter is awash wih people's 2023 TUI bookings also being cancelled...... No word from the airport either, only from Wizz.

egcntristar 3rd Jun 2022 17:37


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11240245)
Twitter is awash wih people's 2023 TUI bookings also being cancelled...... No word from the airport either, only from Wizz.

Care to quote more than two?

Also do you care to quote why DSA have broken the agreement terms? No, thought not - 1.you dont know and 2. Legal would have you in court. Rather than being a DSA negative fantasist, pipe down.

Wizz didnt uphold last winters quota for new terms and havent this summer, and tried to rewrite the deal, the second based aircraft hasnt materialised which means DSA pulled the strings but won't publicly to keep a relationship.

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 17:46


Originally Posted by egcntristar (Post 11240248)
Care to quote more than two?

Also do you care to quote why DSA have broken the agreement terms? No, thought not - 1.you dont know and 2. Legal would have you in court. Rather than being a DSA negative fantasist, pipe down.

Wizz didnt uphold last winters quota for new terms and havent this summer, and tried to rewrite the deal, the second based aircraft hasnt materialised which means DSA pulled the strings but won't publicly to keep a relationship.

So if we believe what you're saying, how does DSA return from this? Who does it reinstall confidence in its customers?

How does it grow in future other than TUI?

Why be made out to be the culprit if it isn't their doing?

Doesn't add up

TBSC 3rd Jun 2022 17:51

Because if they don't go with the story they will loose the WAH flights as well which would be a double whammy.

egcntristar 3rd Jun 2022 17:55


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11240252)
So if we believe what you're saying, how does DSA return from this? Who does it reinstall confidence in its customers?

How does it grow in future other than TUI?

Why be made out to be the culprit if it isn't their doing?

Doesn't add up

See TBSC's reply.

Mr Frost, you don't know as usual and spout your social media rubbish which may ultimately get you in slanderous hot water....

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 17:56


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11240256)
Because if they don't go with the story they will loose the WAH flights as well which would be a double whammy.

So what now?

Ryanair and easy are out of the question. As are flybe.

TBSC 3rd Jun 2022 18:10

Wizz Air: Doncaster Sheffield Airport bosses only found out about axed flights via media | Doncaster Free Press

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 18:18

Utter rubbish! Megalolz

LTNman 3rd Jun 2022 18:29

Wizz is like a mini Ryanair. It is always someone else’s fault and never their fault for failing to deliver on its promises.

TimmyW 3rd Jun 2022 18:32


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11240277)
Wizz is like a mini Ryanair. It is always someone else’s fault and never their fault for failing to deliver on its promises.

I have to laugh that someone on here claimed DSA had turned down Ryanair in favour of wizz. Wonder if they'll be going cap in hand now?

Also, it seems the terminal work to enable the Wizz base was paid for by a loan from taxpayers money. Wonder if they'll be getting an explanation?

It's about time this white elephant closed for good. There is no need for an airport in Doncaster!!


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