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TBSC 8th Feb 2023 19:24


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11382422)
Hungray is hardly a shining light of a country following EU rules and picks and choices who to aline with a who to pi** off. I wouldn't believe alot of what is written in some of their very bias press. There is usually a different motive in play which is not always apparent.
As Ryanair used to say, any press is good, whether good or bad. To get the public to remember the brand.

It wouldn't be hard to click on the name of the author (a certain individual going by the Hungarian name of John Woods) to see what he wrote about Wizz recently. Surely not a covert operation to advertise the company:
"Wizz Air considerably changed its summer schedule, ticket prices expected to grow"
"Hungarian Wizz Air in trouble: several popular flights could be cancelled"

"Wizz Air chaos: Hungarians stuck in Abu Dhabi without food, water"


pabely 8th Feb 2023 19:38

Good check. Certainly a man (or alias) on a mission who gets things published on a few media channels, some just click bait. Has a bee in his bonnet about Romania but that might be his political stance, as I said, Hungary regularly upsets it's neighbours.

Buster the Bear 17th Feb 2023 15:57

XLRs coming to the UK. https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...habi-uk-units/

Cazza_fly 17th Feb 2023 16:06


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 11387420)

Best luck to anyone getting on a 239 seat A321 for upto 8 hours with Wizz Air seats and service...

davidjohnson6 17th Feb 2023 16:27


Originally Posted by Cazza_fly (Post 11387425)
Best luck to anyone getting on a 239 seat A321 for upto 8 hours with Wizz Air seats and service...

Norwegian fly 737-800s daily in winter from Helsinki non-stop to Tenerife in 6h40 and very few people seem to make a fuss.... is being a passenger on a Wizz A321 really that much worse than on a Norwegian B737 ?

In July, Wizz will begin flying between Milan Malpensa and Abu Dhabi in 7h20. They will fly you one way for £45 (or £35 if you are in their discount club) in November from MXP to AUH - maybe one can buy some food and water at the airport and bring a portable charger to watch a couple of films on your tablet on the way... and use the money saved to do something else

I'm not saying 8 hours on a Wizz A321 is for everyone... but if the price is right, people will take interest

ajamieson 17th Feb 2023 16:44

Could it open up new UK routes for Wizz (US? DXB?) or would it be more a case of efficiencies on existing longer-range routes eg TFS, SSH?

pabely 17th Feb 2023 17:19

US no, CEO already on record saying not a priority. What efficency to TFS, seat same as a standard 321.
DXB yes, and the article says "Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent, as well as central and western Africa.”
If the price is right people will put up with 8 hours.

LTNman 17th Feb 2023 17:49

An 8 hour flight would be the last of my worries. I would more worried about last minute cancellations and the airline ignoring CCJ’s so leaving me out of pocket.

TBSC 17th Feb 2023 17:53


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11387457)
US no, CEO already on record saying not a priority.

Yep, nor does using a bigger aircraft than the 320; introducing allocated seating and baggage fees; opening western-european bases; using primary airports; selling domestic flights; scheduling flights beyond three hours of flight time etc. All said not being a priority by the CEO at one point.

pabely 17th Feb 2023 18:44


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11387472)
An 8 hour flight would be the last of my worries. I would more worried about last minute cancellations and the airline ignoring CCJ’s so leaving me out of pocket.

Not defending their behaviour but wasn't that Nov/Dec news, I'm sure I read it was said they had settled 91% of all known claims now but their was also a bottleneck in the UK courts system of advising all parties of their decisions which did not help anyone.
I think the CAA review these things quarterly so an updated situation should be published soon.

maxbloom 20th Feb 2023 09:12

Agreed regarding cancellations and not paying compensation, at least in my experience from a flight they cancelled due to lightning strike and are currently refusing to even refund the money paid for it (claiming I was a no-show on their systems when I have pictures of myself standing in front of a cancelled flight screen in the airport on the day), and ignoring compensation claims as well under UK261.

On the other hand, Wizz air often insanely cheap for longer routes other carriers take hefty amounts for. That can be quite useful, assuming you don't intend to rely on them far in advance (since they will cancel a non-popular route mid year),while understanding that they'll try and charge you crazy amount for anciliaries on said longer routes if you don't find a way to manage without those.

On the US route/expansion, I would love to see A321XLR Luton/Gatwick Transatlantic flights, but it does seem from their statements their current direction at least is eastward. I've heard from Indian colleagues that price for UK - India flights are insanely high, even with one stop, perhaps due to a strong BA/Air India presence. If Wizz wishes to continue expanding upon their original model - immigrant oritented flights, now instead of relying on eastern/central europe immigrants going back home, they can do the same for Indian diaspora both in UAE and UK. VFR, from my limited aviation knowledge, is considered quite a strong base for a route since it is fairly year-round. US Expansions has historically not gone well for low cost companies, for many reasons I'm sure I can't even fathom, but I would imagine you would not wish to do a retread of something many have failed at, and routes where there is already strong competition (including from Norse, another new long haul low cost contender), while you can simply go for routes where there's little to no low cost competition.

I will be interested in seeing how they handle these long flights though, which have always been said to be tough to make a profit on with the low cost model. Their expansion patterns are so erratic sometimes, it's hard to see how they can continue on, but perhaps their approach of throwing everything on the wall and seeing what sticks can help them determine which of the many many Abu Dhabi routes is a keeper. Bad passenger experience, sure, but I guess they're not too concerned.

pabely 20th Feb 2023 18:47

I'm sure India/UK is subject to bilateral agreements so you can't just start such routes but I'm sure IndiGo would love to come to London with their 321XLRs so maybe that is the time for Wizzair with their similar equipment once they start to arrive.....
There is a big expansion of airports in India currently so secondary airports will welcome international connections away from the traditional trunk routes.

davidjohnson6 20th Feb 2023 19:03

Why do Wizz need to do UK-India nonstop flights with all the costs and passenger expectations that go with 9 hour flights ? Couldn't they instead just build a low-budget self-connect version of Emirates' megahub in Abu Dhabi ?

Pain in the R's 20th Feb 2023 19:52

Race to the bottom. It explains nicely why flying is no longer a joy but a total paIn with airports full of stressed miserable looking passengers. Maybe Wizz Air should change its name to Misery Air to reflect the customer experience of modern day travel where a small piece of luggage can cost more than a seat.


pabely 20th Feb 2023 20:24

I wonder who invented that?

LTNman 22nd Feb 2023 10:56

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-22/...-uk-passengers


Wizz Air has been named the worst short-haul airline by UK passengers.

davidjohnson6 22nd Feb 2023 12:01


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11389733)

15 years ago, the UK thought Ryanair was a terrible airline. We still booked with Ryanair because it was cheap. Wizz can sometimes give very cheap fares

LTNman 22nd Feb 2023 12:11

For free. Anything else and the carry on bag can cost more than the human.


Must fit under seat in front of you; can be a laptop bag, woman’s purse or small backpack

pabely 22nd Feb 2023 12:43


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 11389774)
For free. Anything else and the carry on bag can cost more than the human.

With 45M customers last year and rising fast, as with Ryanair a few years ago, it's not going to stop the growth.

davidjohnson6 24th Feb 2023 11:54

It seems that IAG really will buy the 80% of Air Europa that they do not already own, and removes one of Iberia's main competitors.
Should Wizz be expanding significantly at Madrid, and on routes besides those to eastern Europe ? Is there space and are there slots at suitable times for such an expansion ?

pabely 24th Feb 2023 18:39

I suspect the EU will force some sort of slot release at Madrid & Barcelona.
If that occurs how would they be allocated/purchased. I'm sure Lufthansa, KLM/Air France, Ryanair, Easyjet would love to scoop some up. Wizzair might not want to enter such a war but with plenty of XLRs arriving over the coming years who knows!

toledoashley 25th Feb 2023 06:07


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11391097)
I suspect the EU will force some sort of slot release at Madrid & Barcelona.
If that occurs how would they be allocated/purchased. I'm sure Lufthansa, KLM/Air France, Ryanair, Easyjet would love to scoop some up. Wizzair might not want to enter such a war but with plenty of XLRs arriving over the coming years who knows!

Wasn’t there an agreement to divest slots to Volotea?

davidjohnson6 27th Feb 2023 15:45

Flights to/from Moldova to be suspended from 14 March, i.e. 2 weeks and a day from today. Some routes will see increased frequency to Iasi in Romania, just over the border
https://boardingpass.ro/wizz-air-sus...4-martie-2023/

BA318 27th Feb 2023 16:10


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11392415)
Flights to/from Moldova to be suspended from 14 March, i.e. 2 weeks and a day from today. Some routes will see increased frequency to Iasi in Romania, just over the border
https://boardingpass.ro/wizz-air-sus...4-martie-2023/

I wonder if this is due to fears about the conflict spreading to Moldova. Their Gov keeps mentioning the Russian threat and Wizz ended up with planes trapped in Ukraine and maybe doesn’t want the same mistake again.

pabely 27th Feb 2023 18:18

In English https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ty-2023-02-27/

LGS6753 27th Feb 2023 20:05

It was recently suggested that Moldovan airspace would be closed for security reasons.
There has also been political upheaval in Moldova in recent weeks, added to the dangers of activity from the widely-anticipated Russian spring offensive spilling over from Ukraine. I think Putin has threatened Moldova too.

pabely 27th Feb 2023 21:15

Meddling via Transnistria comes to mind.

Pain in the R's 3rd Mar 2023 07:56


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11387488)
Not defending their behaviour but wasn't that Nov/Dec news, I'm sure I read it was said they had settled 91% of all known claims now but their was also a bottleneck in the UK courts system of advising all parties of their decisions which did not help anyone.
I think the CAA review these things quarterly so an updated situation should be published soon.

I have listened to a damming report on the BBC You and Yours radio 4 programme. The segment was in relation to what is happening at Wizz regarding compensation claims that they are still not paying and the fact that Wizzair has more complaints against them per million passengers than any other airline. The programme interviewed people who took trips last year and are owned £1000’s due to cancelled and delayed flights. They claimed that no help is being provided by call centres who don’t deal with compensation claims and emails are going unanswered.

According to the report, Wizz have failed to meet the latest CAA deadlines and that the airline is still loss making. The airline also refused to be interviewed.




Opsbeatch 3rd Mar 2023 08:20

I've had a claim going on with them for about 6 months, latest is that I need to write it down on a piece of paper and have it signed by the passenger...but no instructions on where to send it or if they want it scanned.

Just readying the pigeon just in case...!

OB

ATNotts 3rd Mar 2023 12:49


Originally Posted by Pain in the R's (Post 11394663)
They are acting like a failing airline that won’t be around too long. The CAA should give the airline a notice of closure to focus the attention of this shabby airline. Seems well suited though as Luton’s biggest airline.

If the airline, any airline, is failing to comply with the law, and then failing to comply with court judgments/ CCJs then the regulator should be down on them like the proverbial ton of bricks.

If the CAA fails to do so then, aside of their safety remit they have little purpose.

davidjohnson6 3rd Mar 2023 18:02


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11392415)
Flights to/from Moldova to be suspended from 14 March, i.e. 2 weeks and a day from today. Some routes will see increased frequency to Iasi in Romania, just over the border
https://boardingpass.ro/wizz-air-sus...4-martie-2023/

Wizzair is not the only airline cancelling flights to/from Moldova. Air Moldova seems to be finding some of its leased aircraft are (seemingly at short notice), no longer available for use. I am inclined to give Wizz the benefit of the doubt on their decision to suspend Chisinau from mid March.
https://boardingpass.ro/air-moldova-...ii-avioanelor/
Apologies for using an article in Romanian rather than English, but the website has proven pretty reliable in the past, and I'm reluctant to quote English language articles on Russia-based sites when talking about Moldova

Seljuk22 4th Mar 2023 10:00

New routes and a 9th A321neo for AUH
https://wizzair.com/en-gb/informatio...ope-and-africa

pabely 4th Mar 2023 19:01


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11394849)
Wizzair is not the only airline cancelling flights to/from Moldova. Air Moldova seems to be finding some of its leased aircraft are (seemingly at short notice), no longer available for use. I am inclined to give Wizz the benefit of the doubt on their decision to suspend Chisinau from mid March.
https://boardingpass.ro/air-moldova-...ii-avioanelor/
Apologies for using an article in Romanian rather than English, but the website has proven pretty reliable in the past, and I'm reluctant to quote English language articles on Russia-based sites when talking about Moldova

Will FlyOne continue into Luton once Wizzair stop? With Air Moldova not running into STN very often (other than a Aerro Direkt) they must be happy, assuming they do not get hit by any loss in insurance cover/lessor of aircraft as well.
HiSky & SkyUp will be watching.

Buster the Bear 4th Mar 2023 21:33

Having had airframes stuck in Ukraine, I would imagine Wizz insurers are a bit jumpy about Moldova?

Spanish eyes 5th Mar 2023 20:55

So the CAA intervention regarding Wizz is having no affect. CCJ’s up from 533 to now 960 with 865 unsatisfied.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...mers-case.html


I commented at the time that I was not optimistic. I had found 533 CCJs against Wizz Air UK, with 478 listed as unsatisfied. So is the picture any better now? No, it is worse.

When I checked court records a few days ago, I found 960 CCJs against the airline, with 865 shown as unsatisfied. The most recent cases show debts of £2,105, £1,621, and £1,550.

Time for the watchdog CAA to step in again, I think, and to bark even louder this time.

davidjohnson6 9th Mar 2023 14:06

New airport - Cairo Sphinx (no, not the main Cairo airport) about 25 miles west of Cairo. Should work nicely once the Grand Egyptian museum finally opens
First route is to Milan Malpensa, but I can see this expanding to other routes. Condor are opening a route to Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_International_Airport

pabely 9th Mar 2023 16:20

Had to come, exactly what the airport was built for.

TBSC 10th Mar 2023 06:08


Originally Posted by pabely (Post 11398445)
Had to come, exactly what the airport was built for.

To be the local version of Charleroi, Bergamo, Modlin, Beauvais, Torp or Hahn?

compton3bravo 10th Mar 2023 07:29

If that is your thinking TBSC you could say Gatwick, Luton, Stansted, Southend and London City.

pabely 10th Mar 2023 11:33


Originally Posted by TBSC (Post 11398717)
To be the local version of Charleroi, Bergamo, Modlin, Beauvais, Torp or Hahn?

Why do you fly from Sharm for the day to see Sphinx & Great Pyramid from them as well?
Cario International's domestic terminal makes Luton look like a Palace!


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