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Looks like they ran HA-LYP over from Iasi to cover at least one of these aircraft.
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There is some debate on the Luton thread about Wizzair being very slow to comply with CCJs for EU261 non-compliance
As Wizz fly from multiple UK airports rather than just Luton, I'm posting on the Wizz thread How difficult would it be for an ordinary passenger with a friendly (non-aviation-specialist) lawyer who has gained a CCJ to arrest an aircraft in the UK that is operated by a Wizz group airline to enforce payment of the CCJ and costs ? Would the passenger recover High Court, lawyer and bailiff costs ? Are Wizz UK aircraft owned by Wizz UK or are they all leased and the property of other companies ? Do Wizz Hungary have any substantial assets in the UK which a bailiff could seize, and would a court bailiff have access, or would airport security prevent access ? Is airport management duty bound to allow the arrest of the aircraft, or can they close ranks and prevent access to the aircraft until it's departed the airport ? Are tickets with Wizz that involve flying on Wizz UK aircraft enforceable against Wizz UK, or is everything enforceable solely against Wizz Hungary ? Could a company winding up order against Wizz UK be an option ? (Yes, Mrs Johnson sometimes describes me as an aggressive little sh*t) |
Of course there are Wizz assets to be seized but not behind the locked empty room that serves as Wizz Air U.K. HQ.
Wizz Air’s partner, London Luton Airport Operations Ltd, makes sure they remain hidden for the bailiffs but the sheriffs have more powers and cannot be stopped by airport security. I would recommend they start at the crew and opps room and then head for the apron. How to seize an aircraft over a debt at a cost of £71 win or fail. https://www.thesheriffsoffice.com/se...on-enforcement |
Not sure they have such powers in a Sterile boarders area without an apron pass and a nod from the Airport, Boarder force & CAA.
It is not like in the linked article where a plane was directed to a quiet area and provision for secure storage had been made. None of these is easily practical at Luton Airport. |
Plan A Bring a passport to the airport and demand access. They just then need an escort and cannot be impeded from executing a high court writ.
Plan B Buy a £10 ticket and slap a writ on the door when boarding. Wizz can argue the toss as to who owns the aircraft or pay up. In the mean time the aircraft can’t be moved so it is cheaper to pay. Heathrow example on how to ground an aircraft with the aid of the police. https://absoluteenforcement.com/inde...gh-court-writ/ |
I also note the Heathrow incident with these guys when a Writ was served on Delta Airlines for £2,800 owed to a pax. A manager paid up in the end on their own CC, in front of Channel 5 TV crew of course. Alot of comment about the legality in real life to seize a plane in this way, first need to prove who owns it, then if the plane is stopped from revenue flights, who compensates other pax, the airport etc. In the TV programme their are regular shots of Malaysian Airlines, surprised CH5 didn't get sued for defamation.
In practice pay for your flight on a Credit Card, they will fully refund you and just Debt the airline accordingly. That will hurt them much quicker! |
Credit card bill has to be at least £100. Also a credit card won't pay the compensation these people have been awarded.
https://www.travelgossip.co.uk/lates...rst-offenders/ Citing Wizz as the worst offender, Which? said the CAA should consider whether it has beached the requirements of its licence to operate in the UK. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 11403968)
Of course there are Wizz assets to be seized but not behind the locked empty room that serves as Wizz Air U.K. HQ.
Wizz Air’s partner, London Luton Airport Operations Ltd, makes sure they remain hidden for the bailiffs but the sheriffs have more powers and cannot be stopped by airport security. I would recommend they start at the crew and opps room and then head for the apron. How to seize an aircraft over a debt at a cost of £71 win or fail. https://www.thesheriffsoffice.com/se...on-enforcement |
So what is the way to go? They have already stated months ago that they don’t recognise U.K. law yet they were happy to receive furlough money from HM government.
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CAA seriously need to act. Tell them they've a set time period to comply with the CCJs or there will be punishments.
Wizz are acting like cowboys. I certainly wouldn't book a ticket with them. |
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
(Post 11404404)
CAA seriously need to act. Tell them they've a set time period to comply with the CCJs or there will be punishments.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 11404771)
One can see comments all round about this (trade press, mainstream news) that the CAA have been useless. Whatever as a "regulator" do they do nowadays for their state funding ?
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Theres a lot Wizz Air, particularly WUK have managed and continue to get away with, that many others wouldn't. Starts to make me think they (Wizz Air) have some kind of hold over the CAA and regulators. I guess money talks... but not for the everyday person.
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
(Post 11404813)
Theres a lot Wizz Air, particularly WUK have managed and continue to get away with, that many others wouldn't. Starts to make me think they (Wizz Air) have some kind of hold over the CAA and regulators. I guess money talks... but not for the everyday person.
Many of the airlines are the same - profit margins are tight and so they won’t give money away freely. Not without making it difficult. |
Or they go to Wizz UK and see whether they are operating within the tems of the licence they have issued to them...
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11404838)
Or they go to Wizz UK and see whether they are operating within the tems of the licence they have issued to them...
Usually this sort of stuff is mopped up in a wider case where multiple airlines are held accountable by the CAA and action taken, rather than carriers on an individual basis. I’m sure Wizz will have their comeuppance one day. |
Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
(Post 11404813)
Starts to make me think they (Wizz Air) have some kind of hold over the CAA and regulators. I guess money talks... but not for the everyday person.
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The CAA can't even process licences in a prompt and timely manner so I think we might be waiting a while before they act on Wizz.
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Their fiscal year ends on 31MAR. It's life or death for them to cling on to every last escudo to improve their balance (at least on paper) after the last two quarters which were not exactly shiny.
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Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11405046)
Their fiscal year ends on 31MAR. It's life or death for them to cling on to every last escudo to improve their balance (at least on paper) after the last two quarters which were not exactly shiny.
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Even if Royal Maill did not find them with those letters yet as they claim it? ;)
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 11404098)
I dearly hope you aren’t remotely serious here? This is absolutely not the way to go about this.
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Does anybody know why today and I believe Saturday, Wizzair planes have been flying to Maastricht?
Usually at this time of the year there's a couple of inbound diversions from a fog-bound Eindhoven, but this is not the case for these. Today (27th March) alone there have been arrivals (and departures back to) Katowice, Cluj, Podgorica and Budapest. The diverts typically position back to Eindhoven and pick up their schedule. Not the case here (+ Eindhoven isn't fog bound today). They seem to stay around 40 minutes, so they are not visiting the paintshop which is the usual source of inbound commercial airliners from companies not usually flying from here. |
Looks as though they are flights rescheduled from Dortmund due to the German public service(?) unions industrial action today.
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Titan 321NEO into LTN tomorrow for W9 doing a Palma then a Burgas. Something else sick? You wouldn't think Wizzair are short of aircraft?
Better than canx them on short notice, you can see the claims into the distance! |
Currently Wizz Air Hungary operates as W6, and most (if not all) Wizz Air UK flights operate as W9. Wizz Air Malta has a W4 IATA code, AFAIK, use a W6 code, except for the occasional special charter or positioning flight. Yes, I know Wizz Abu Dhabi has 5W, but they are somewhat separate to the rest of the company.
I recall reading somewhere that Wizz Air Malta might start using W4 for normal scheduled flights in its own right, but can't remember where I read this... but I do remember wondering if this was really true or just a bit of unreliable gossip. Would anyone in the know care to comment on this ? |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11413640)
Currently Wizz Air Hungary operates as W6, and most (if not all) Wizz Air UK flights operate as W9. Wizz Air Malta has a W4 IATA code, AFAIK, use a W6 code, except for the occasional special charter or positioning flight. Yes, I know Wizz Abu Dhabi has 5W, but they are somewhat separate to the rest of the company.
I recall reading somewhere that Wizz Air Malta might start using W4 for normal scheduled flights in its own right, but can't remember where I read this... but I do remember wondering if this was really true or just a bit of unreliable gossip. |
So why the difference? Ryanair just use FR across the fleet for the EU registered aircraft?
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11410564)
Titan 321NEO into LTN tomorrow for W9 doing a Palma then a Burgas. Something else sick? You wouldn't think Wizzair are short of aircraft?
Better than canx them on short notice, you can see the claims into the distance! |
GTF issues?
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She is due back at STN tonight. All W9 aircraft flying today as well.
Perhaps just an overlap in some Winter routes vs the new routes ie Istanbul. |
Wizz Air perform worst for flight delays https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65228868
Wizz Air was the worst major airline for flight delays from UK airports for the second year in a row, new figures show. |
Given the network Wizz offers I'm surprised to see the level of delays mentioned along with fines and enforcement action.
The financial stuff seems to me unforgivable, but this... meh. |
The CAA has civil powers to take enforcement action against airlines, but court cases typically take several years to be concluded. |
Originally Posted by TBSC
(Post 11413642)
52 aircraft are already registered in Malta and all new deliveries are going to W4 as well.
Wasn’t it Wizz that encourage their pilots to carry on working when tired to help the airline out? |
Originally Posted by Pain in the R's
(Post 11417987)
Reminds me of ships and flags of convenience from countries like Panama and Liberia.
Wasn’t it Wizz that encourage their pilots to carry on working when tired to help the airline out? |
Wizzair U.K. is not an EASA but rather a U.K. AOC that the U.K. CAA is responsible for regulating. My personal view, having had significant involvement with Wizzair, is that it is a disgrace, both the airline and the regulation of it.
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Originally Posted by Alloy
(Post 11418275)
Wizzair U.K. is not an EASA but rather a U.K. AOC that the U.K. CAA is responsible for regulating. My personal view, having had significant involvement with Wizzair, is that it is a disgrace, both the airline and the regulation of it.
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