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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11593909)
I’d remove Aegean from that list at least. They are a Star Alliance member and shift a lot of transfers at LHR to the US/Canada and beyond. Plus they make money so not in any immediate need to sell up.
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11593909)
I think the Maltese Gov wouldn’t let KM lose the slot at LHR. It’s always been protected by them
Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 11593909)
Eurowings stays within the LH group so it might be transferred to another if they need it more but I doubt it.
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Who's next?
Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11593282)
It's a shame to see ITA Airways leave London Heathrow. Although it's a completely different airline to it's predecessor. Alitalia the predecessor to ITA Airways once had a sizeable operation to London Heathrow from various Italian destinations. During the eighties and nineties London Heathrow would see numerous daily flights with Alitalia from Bologna, Milan Linate, Milan Malpensa, Pisa, Rome, Turin and Venice with a mixture of aircraft such as the Airbus A300, A319, A320, A321, Boeing 727, MD-83 and even the odd DC-10-30.
There was always a couple of aircraft from Alitalia at the former Terminal 2 gates during that period in time. I remember on one occasion when looking from the former Queens Building viewing area seeing five Alitalia aircraft at former Terminal 2 at the same time. During the late nineties the secondary Italian airports were transferred to London Gatwick leaving just the Milan and Rome flights remaining at London Heathrow. With those two final destinations set to cease, the long history of Alitalia will soon be over at London Heathrow. As for other carriers, who will be next and who else is likely to consider Gatwick operations? :) There was a bulletin posted on the Cathay Pacific forum on Flyertalk which confirmed that LHR is to be maintained at 5 daily from the summer, with CX239 and CX256 being reinstated. Travel24 previously mentioned that the airline is planning on returning to Gatwick later this year in October, and with the A350 now no longer serving London, hopefully they will be next to confirm LGW soon? |
"VDuring the eighties and nineties London Heathrow would see numerous daily flights with Alitalia from Bologna, Milan Linate, Milan Malpensa, Pisa, Rome, Turin and Venice with a mixture of aircraft such as the Airbus A300, A319, A320, A321, Boeing 727, MD-83 and even the odd DC-10-30."
with tht fleet mix no wnder they never made a $ I can remember that you turned up - and your flight was ALWAYS 2 hours late departing - but that was OK because they just shoved you on the one about to leave (which was also 2 hours late).................. |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11595289)
"VDuring the eighties and nineties London Heathrow would see numerous daily flights with Alitalia from Bologna, Milan Linate, Milan Malpensa, Pisa, Rome, Turin and Venice with a mixture of aircraft such as the Airbus A300, A319, A320, A321, Boeing 727, MD-83 and even the odd DC-10-30."
with tht fleet mix no wnder they never made a $ I can remember that you turned up - and your flight was ALWAYS 2 hours late departing - but that was OK because they just shoved you on the one about to leave (which was also 2 hours late).................. Incidentally the exact same fleet mix that Iberia were also using during the same period in the eighties and nineties. Your story of delayed flights probably accounted for one of the reasons why there always seemed to be quite a few Alitalia aircraft at the gates of the former LHR Terminal 2 at the same time. But Alitalia did have quite a substantial schedule to LHR at that time. |
"Well at the end of the day at least you got to your destination"
Exactly - tho it took a while to slip into the Italian way of doing business and not worry, it always worked out somehow in the end - it was a good prep for what lay ahead in Milan or Rome at the office |
I don't think a new service to Tiblisi has been mentioned here yet. The carrier is Georgian start-up Air Iveria. Fleet and frequency details not yet known.
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 11597006)
I don't think a new service to Tiblisi has been mentioned here yet. The carrier is Georgian start-up Air Iveria. Fleet and frequency details not yet known.
Planning to start flights in less than 3 months on a route that will take 5 hours without any ability to take bookings is an unusual strategy |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11597013)
Perhaps if Air Iveria had a website, there might be more reason for interest. They don't even seem to have a "watch this space" single page website
Planning to start flights in less than 3 months on a route that will take 5 hours without any ability to take bookings is an unusual strategy |
Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 11597045)
It's certainly a strange approach. I found the information in an article in the Telegraph's travel section but was unable to discover much more than I have written. They do apparently have Gatwick slots.
Air Iveria has also been showing on the London Gatwick Wikipedia page for the last few days. I totally agree with what has been mentioned by others regarding this "strange" airline. It will be interesting to see what becomes of this. |
The source on wikipedia for Air Iveria flying Gatwick - Tbilisi comes from avia.ge - an obscure travel agency based in Georgia. Avia.ge has a web page which states Air Iveria will fly the routes but the avia.ge is not currently selling flights on Air Iveria.
This source was added to wikipedia by an IP address (not a logged in person). The IP address has made only 8 edits, 2 of which referred to Air Iveria. |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11597262)
The source on wikipedia for Air Iveria flying Gatwick - Tbilisi is from an obscure travel agency based in Georgia which states Air Iveria will fly the routes but the travel agency is not currently selling flights on Air Iveria. It was added to wikipedia by an IP address (not a logged in person). The IP address has made only 8 edits, 2 of which were referred to Air Iveria.
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Air peace
Air peace have now added Gatwick starting 31st March using the 777-300
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Originally Posted by Travel24
(Post 11598747)
Air peace have now added Gatwick starting 31st March using the 777-300
(I feel sure I know, but they deserve crediting). As you probably know seanm1997 on Twitter is an exellent provider of reliable information and your posting looked remarkably similar. If it came directly from you I apologise for making an incorrect assumption. |
SeanM published about Air Peace somewhere between 6 am and 7 am this morning. Travel24 published at 11:18 pm last night. It's not impossible that Travel24 got his/her info from another blogger... but deeply unfair to insinuate it came from SeanM when Travel24 published at least 7 hours in advance.
There seems to be something of a tendency to assume that only SeanM can look at airline websites, work out what's changing and post this info to an Internet site. Other people were doing this extensively before SeanM decided to do so and one should not assume that SeanM is the only person with ability to do so. Jim Liu at aeroroutes.com is just one of the better known examples. I can think of 20 other websites who publish openly on a regular basis and often pick up on route changes in Europe before SeanM. Many of these show good respect for other people coming up with info independently and are unlikely to complain openly when somebody else publishes info to the web. |
No, you're right. I had a total abberation regarding the timeline and as you can see apologised!
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Air India are also adding Bengaluru from 1st April - 5x weekly
AI177 BLR 1405-2005 LGW (Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun) AI178 LGW 2135-1150+1 BLR (Mon, Tue, Wed, Fri & Sun) Source: SeanM1997 on Twitter. |
London Gatwick Airport has successfully started 2024 with new airlines and route announcements, may this continue 👌
London Gatwick Airport long-haul or should I say intercontinental route network is expanding nicely and the airport now has more intercontinental destinations than pre COVID. Served by more intercontinental airlines than pre COVID. So far for 2024 London Gatwick Airport will see service from the following intercontinental airlines and destinations. Quite an impressive list that doesn't even include destinations served by British Airways and Norse or even TUI. Air China...Beijing, Shanghai Air India...Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Bangaluru, Goa, Kochi Air Iveria...Tbilisi Air Mauritius...Port Louis Air Peace...Lagos Air Transat...Montréal, Québec, Toronto Azerbaijan Airlines...Baku China Eastern Airlines...Shanghai China Southern Airlines...Guangzhou, Zhengzhou Delta...New York JFK Emirates...Dubai Ethiopian Airlines...Addis Ababa Jetblue...Boston, New York JFK Qatar Airways...Doha Saudia...Jeddah Singapore Airlines...Singapore TAAG Angola Airlines...Luanda? Westjet...Halifax, St John's 26 world-wide destinations in 14 countries and served by upto 18 intercontinental airlines. It's been a very long time indeed since London Gatwick can claim that. I've obviously omitted destinations and airlines from North Africa or Turkey. |
Expect the usual long delays at Gatwick this summer then with all these extra flights. Blamed by ATC on 'slot restrictions ' no doubt.
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Originally Posted by andymartin
(Post 11599356)
Expect the usual long delays at Gatwick this summer then with all these extra flights. Blamed by ATC on 'slot restrictions ' no doubt.
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Air Peace
Its been finally announced and Nigerian carrier Air Peace will launch at the beginning of the IATA nothern summer season Lagos to London Gatwick.
Flights begin on the 31 March 2024. Air Peace will operate Lagos to London Gatwick five times weekly with a Boeing 777-200ER. P47578 LOS 00.10 LGW 06.40 777 x17 P47479 LGW 11.10 LOS 17.40 777 x57 Credit...aeroroutes.com Air Peace states that it's a credible airline serving the needs of Nigeria. If that is really the case then the Nigerian government should abandon its plans for a new national carrier and put Air Peace in that position instead. If that were the case a name change for the carrier would be more appropriate than the current one. A name change to the likes of the original Nigerian Airways would make this airline more relevant. But Air Peace seems popular with the Nigerian population and this will be their target audience on Lagos to London Gatwick. Air Peace will be the sixth Nigerian carrier to have operated a Lagos to London route over the last few decades with the others being, Air Nigeria Arik Air Bellview Air Nigerian Airways Virgin Nigeria |
Med View also operated into Gatwick
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11600380)
Med View also operated into Gatwick
Well, that will make Air Peace the seventh Nigerian carrier to have operated from Lagos to London. With the history of the other six Nigerian carriers that previously operated Lagos to London I wonder where that eventually puts Air Peace. 🤔 |
Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11600370)
Its been finally announced and Nigerian carrier Air Peace will launch at the beginning of the IATA nothern summer season Lagos to London Gatwick.
Flights begin on the 31 March 2024. Air Peace will operate Lagos to London Gatwick five times weekly with a Boeing 777-200ER. P47578 LOS 00.10 LGW 06.40 777 x17 P47479 LGW 11.10 LOS 17.40 777 x57 Credit...aeroroutes.com Air Peace states that it's a credible airline serving the needs of Nigeria. If that is really the case then the Nigerian government should abandon its plans for a new national carrier and put Air Peace in that position instead. If that were the case a name change for the carrier would be more appropriate than the current one. A name change to the likes of the original Nigerian Airways would make this airline more relevant. But Air Peace seems popular with the Nigerian population and this will be their target audience on Lagos to London Gatwick. Air Peace will be the sixth Nigerian carrier to have operated a Lagos to London route over the last few decades with the others being, Air Nigeria Arik Air Bellview Air Nigerian Airways Virgin Nigeria Travel24 - do you know who else is next to likely launch at LGW this year? You mentioned Cathay Pacific previously, do you know anything more of them making an announcement soon? |
Is the airport really stronger from having lost a based carrier such as Virgin? Clearly somebody like Singapore brings prestige, but how many pax/flights per week are being added.
I can see chucking an Air Peace B.777 size rock into the pond causing a few operational ripples |
Gatwick
JW95: it’s amazing what position Gatwick is in right now and like you said it’s crazy to think two years ago we would have all these carriers announcing flights. Getting bengalaru from Air India is massive for the airport as it’s more premium travellers.
im stunned myself what’s going on and so excited to see what’s in store in the next few months. So with potential next airlines Vietnam airlines are in talks with Gatwick and same as Sri Lankan. Azul, air Tanzania I think will be later this year. With European airlines honestly could be anyone at this point. but there are always surprises and shocks which I love like Air Mauritius last year was a massive shock so let’s see! Also with your regards to Gatwick losing Virgin. Virgin Atlantic only offered holiday flights that British Airways and TUI do anyway, so yes at the time it was a big miss when they left, international carriers have definitely filled the void. |
Originally Posted by Travel24
(Post 11600669)
JW95: it’s amazing what position Gatwick is in right now and like you said it’s crazy to think two years ago we would have all these carriers announcing flights. Getting bengalaru from Air India is massive for the airport as it’s more premium travellers.
im stunned myself what’s going on and so excited to see what’s in store in the next few months. So with potential next airlines Vietnam airlines are in talks with Gatwick and same as Sri Lankan. Azul, air Tanzania I think will be later this year. With European airlines honestly could be anyone at this point. but there are always surprises and shocks which I love like Air Mauritius last year was a massive shock so let’s see! Also with your regards to Gatwick losing Virgin. Virgin Atlantic only offered holiday flights that British Airways and TUI do anyway, so yes at the time it was a big miss when they left, international carriers have definitely filled the void. Sounds interesting regarding future potential airlines this year- Vietnam Airlines in particular have been really struggling to secure the slots that they need at LHR, so I could see them returning to LGW, either alongside LHR, or more likely consolidating entirely at Gatwick. I agree RE. VS. At the time (May 2020), I think that we were all in shock when they announced that they'd be closing their long-standing home base at LGW, and of course, this was a huge blow to LGW, despite the leisure base being significantly smaller than their second base at LHR. I think that, in the final few years of VS' time at Gatwick, the signs that they had lost interest and had no real desire or drive to compete against BA, TUI and Norwegian were there: Old, clapped-out 744s and second-hand A332s being based versus the newer A351s and A333s at LHR; routes, like LAS, being moved to LHR; no new routes being launched at LGW for years (with the exception of the planned VS/DL services to JFK and BOS prior Covid). As you say, many other carriers have since resumed or established services to LGW following VS' departure, so their absence is probably not so noticeable anymore, although I am sure LGW would welcome their return, however unlikely. |
Before Covid, I believe, Emirates had planned to go 4 daily and the 4th was on sale but never started, I think due to Covid. I know that they have increased capacity at Lhr, but how likely is it that EK move to 4 daily?
Qatar used to be 3 daily. And what is Norse doing/planning? |
Originally Posted by True Blue
(Post 11600761)
Before Covid, I believe, Emirates had planned to go 4 daily and the 4th was on sale but never started, I think due to Covid. I know that they have increased capacity at Lhr, but how likely is it that EK move to 4 daily?
Qatar used to be 3 daily. And what is Norse doing/planning? |
With the start date for the Air Peace service about 6 weeks away, you do wonder how long it is going to take them to get the flights on sale. They have been loaded for a few days now, but no seats available yet. Why does it take so long?
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Air Peace now on sale seems to be 6 weekly.
Some of the flights are shown as operated by B777 and some by B787. So are they using Norse for some of the flights? Could Norse announce Lagos as a route? |
Originally Posted by True Blue
(Post 11603527)
Air Peace now on sale seems to be 6 weekly.
Some of the flights are shown as operated by B777 and some by B787. So are they using Norse for some of the flights? Could Norse announce Lagos as a route? Norse will operate it 4 times a week for two months at least. |
Chief Executive Officer of Air Peace, Dr Allen Onyema, on Sunday, said the choice of Southern Terminal, Gatwick Airport for the airline’s flight operations to London is because the United Kingdom, UK, refused to totally honour its bilateral aviation safety agreement, BASA, with Nigeria. Speaking on The Morning Show, an Arise TV programme, Onyema said that when Air Peace applied for a terminal at Heathrow, UK’s primary airport, the airline was denied. He said that although Gatwick was not his preferred choice, it has turned out to be even better than Heathrow due to the numerous options it provides for passengers. His words: “The BASA we signed with the UK is this: You give me your primary airport, we give you ours. British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, both of them come into my country (Nigeria) using our primary airports – Lagos and Abuja. When we applied, they told us Heathrow was not available to us. They even suggested Stansted or Luton airports, which I found very insulting. They also suggested Gatwick, but I refused because I wanted to go to Heathrow, their primary airport. “After some time, I saw that they wanted to frustrate us. So, I said let us go anywhere even if they wanted us to go to Scotland. We started to take Gatwick, which was not really our choice. In the long run, we saw some good in it. Most of our people are down the Southeastern part of London. At the same time, when you look at the traffic situation in Heathrow to the centre of London, it is very excruciating, but from Gatwick, they alloted the Southern Terminal to Air Peace. And when you get to the Southern Terminal, you get out of immigration, take your luggage and you get into the Gatwick express train within three minutes, which will take you to Victoria right into central London. |
Air Peace
Air Peace have since revised their schedule for the airlines proposed route between Lagos and London Gatwick.
The schedule now involves 6 weekly flight's compared to the previously announced 5. Flight's are still intended to start on the 30 March 2024. Air Peace will be using a mix of Boeing 777-200ER and leased Norse Atlantic B789. Air Peace will be using London Gatwick’s South Terminal. P47578 LOS 00.45 LGW 07.25 B777 7 P47578 LOS 23.59 LGW 06.45 B789 x567 P47578 LOS 23.59 LGW 06.45 B777 5 P47579 LGW 11.10 LOS 17.50 B789 x 567 P47479 LGW 11.10 LOS 17.40 B777 67 Credit to aeroroutes.com There's a certain individual on Simplistic Flying who's posts are extremely annoying at the best of times. In his regular rants he's recently posted the following. "I don't want Air Peace flying to the UK with aircraft parts falling on mine and my families home's". He obviously cares a lot less about his friends home's. He lives in Manchester. How an Air Peace aircraft is going to affect him and his family based in Manchester when the aircraft will be flying upto 200 miles south is beyond me. But in saying that I've always been rather skeptical about Air Peace and I know others on here share the same opinion. |
BA launching Bangkok 3 weekly for Winter 2024.
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BRITISH AIRWAYS.
Winter 2024, “October”. British Airways to launch Gatwick to Bangkok flights. 3 x a week on Mon , Thu and Sat departing at 2100 arriving 1555 the following day. Return flights Tue, Fri & Sun 2255 landing back into Gatwick 0530. |
Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 11608993)
BRITISH AIRWAYS.
Winter 2024, “October”. British Airways to launch Gatwick to Bangkok flights. 3 x a week on Mon , Thu and Sat departing at 2100 arriving 1555 the following day. Return flights Tue, Fri & Sun 2255 landing back into Gatwick 0530. Also flight times are a lot better than those that were at LHR :) Congrats LGW! |
BA LGW-BKK now live
LGW-BKK now bookable on BA :) Shame that they aren't reusing the old BA9/10 flight numbers, which of course have a certain place in history. Really hoping this route will do well and will remain at Gatwick- flight departure and arrival times are decent too :) IIRC, in the past, LGW has seen a variety of operators to BKK, including:
Scoot (until 2022) Garuda Indonesia (until 2003) Phuket Air (until 2004, banned from EU flying in 2005). |
Originally Posted by Sotonsean
(Post 11606563)
But in saying that I've always been rather skeptical about Air Peace and I know others on here share the same opinion.
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Not sure if this has been noted before but another airline coming to LGW - Uzbekistan Airways
Only once a week and in addition to their LHR shedules. https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/24030...bJTP49Pj9hP7XI Uzbekistan Airways as of Friday (08MAR24) filed expanded service to London, where the airline schedules Tashkent – London Gatwick service for Northern summer 2024 season. The A320neo will operate this route once a week from 07APR24. HY203 TAS1055 – 1435LGW 32N 7 HY204 LGW1610 – 0300+1TAS 32N 7 |
Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 11612078)
Not sure if this has been noted before but another airline coming to LGW - Uzbekistan Airways
Only once a week and in addition to their LHR shedules. https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/24030...bJTP49Pj9hP7XI Uzbekistan Airways as of Friday (08MAR24) filed expanded service to London, where the airline schedules Tashkent – London Gatwick service for Northern summer 2024 season. The A320neo will operate this route once a week from 07APR24. HY203 TAS1055 – 1435LGW 32N 7 HY204 LGW1610 – 0300+1TAS 32N 7 |
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