Originally Posted by Flying Hi
(Post 11348886)
OUt of pure interest, what would be the routing for this nearly 7000 mile trip? Overnight stop somewhere en route? Crew change how / where?
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Its almost the same length as LHR-SIN and they sure don't stop on that - tho I once had a 15+hour trip back from SIN due to head winds
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
(Post 11348886)
OUt of pure interest, what would be the routing for this nearly 7000 mile trip? Overnight stop somewhere en route? Crew change how / where?
Indeed even the 789 in similar format would have no issues for range /performance factors with little indeed no cargo pallets to mention. They are cruise flights from Manchester , Birmingham and Gatwick and may be W flight routings allowing downstream break and return via other stations. |
Originally Posted by Rutan16
(Post 11348907)
The 788 fleet are well within safety margins for non stop with SLF and cases !
Indeed even the 789 in similar format would have no issues for range /performance factors with little indeed no cargo pallets to mention. They are cruise flights from Manchester , Birmingham and Gatwick and may be W flight routings allowing downstream break and return via other stations. |
update
Originally Posted by jon01
(Post 11348827)
Air France up to 4 daily (Ex Sat) with an additional 09:45/10:30 rotation
Vueling Orly up to 5 per week Busy week of news and rumours easyjet Lisbon increases to 3 per week in summer previously none. Tuesday Thursday and Saturday from 28 March.Malaga remains in the App but not bookable but still removed from Internet site and holidays. Belfast still showing 5 flights in summer Monday & Friday and 4 the other days except Saturday. Edinburgh showing as 3 daily on a Friday from 7 April until 30 June and then Tuesday & Wednesday showing as 3 daily. Flybe Belfast City - 26pw Edinburgh- 24pw Glasgow - 23pw Aberdeen - 11pw based aircraft from June 2023 Amsterdam- 7pw Bergerac - 3pw Brest - 2pw Avignon - 2pw Ryanair Cork now 6 per week in summer, Gerona up to 3 per week Oporto back to 2. Laura showing on Palma again TUI Third Boa Vista which was new on a Thursday, then withdrawn is reinstated again for summer. A certain booking engine is now adding aircraft types for summer and BHX is showing 3 x 787's Monday, Tuesday, Friday & Saturday Aegean Continues twice a week into winter (somebody has been looking at the Jet2 pax figures then) SAS Still 10 per week only from September No change with QR or EK but rumours about others Turkish only have double daily Istanbul but slots indicate I think 16 flights per week but Antalya wasn't;t bookable the last time I checked but Sun Express Antalya was daily, plus 3 Dalaman and 2 x Izmir so a significant increase. Pete |
Thanks for the update OP!
All being well, S23 shaping up fairly well at BHX Delighted to see Aegean making ATH a year round route, bookings for summer must be good. Will be interesting to see how it plays out between them and LS Top rumours still to come to fruition.....fingers crossed QR to DOH EW to BER And more fanciful PLAY to KEF SV to JED - given the Saudi Government's new focus on tourism and tourist e-visas available to UK citizens I'm not surprised SV are looking at the UK market. The Saudi Red Sea coastline is (mostly) stunningly beautiful with year round sun and there is a huge amount of tourism related development going on. Add to this the extensive onward SV connections from JED I could see this working but as always it will probably be MAN first..... |
Yes Saudi keep on adding flights at MAN and upgrading to 789 on many flights plus I believe daily next next summer so I am sure as a holiday destination the business will be there ex BHX
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TUI - SV
Originally Posted by GayFriendly
(Post 11352634)
Thanks for the update OP!
All being well, S23 shaping up fairly well at BHX Delighted to see Aegean making ATH a year round route, bookings for summer must be good. Will be interesting to see how it plays out between them and LS Top rumours still to come to fruition.....fingers crossed QR to DOH EW to BER And more fanciful PLAY to KEF SV to JED - given the Saudi Government's new focus on tourism and tourist e-visas available to UK citizens I'm not surprised SV are looking at the UK market. The Saudi Red Sea coastline is (mostly) stunningly beautiful with year round sun and there is a huge amount of tourism related development going on. Add to this the extensive onward SV connections from JED I could see this working but as always it will probably be MAN first..... I think Qatar is not a surprise it hasn't happened yet as I imagine BHX will be well down the list. Eurowings is a real disappointment as the slots are in and announcements have been made by EW but not BHX, although not critical as yet for a summer start although in my opinion I think is now my number one route that mystifies me why there isn't a direct service. Mind you there are a handful of services BHX have operating that mystify as to why they are operating but I suppose those professional number crunchers know what they are doing, well except when it comes to Cologne where 8 or 9 of them got that one wrong :). Emirates - Still rumours of the 380 this summer, I was hoping Saudi rumours might prompt them :ooh:and certainly QR would get them thinking. Another 615 seat A380 back in service last month but it is slow going. TUI- Fascinating as I have now found 3 x 787's on 5 days Friday through Tuesday. The rest appears to be 3 x MAX, 3 x B73H and 2 x A320 (please not the Doncaster Smartlynx). Monday and Friday have 2 x 787's on shorthaul if where I am checking is correct but the same booking engine has some flights without a type which doesn't make it easy for accuracy purposes. Pete |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 11353474)
TUI- Fascinating as I have now found 3 x 787's on 5 days Friday through Tuesday. The rest appears to be 3 x MAX, 3 x B73H and 2 x A320 (please not the Doncaster Smartlynx). Tuesday and Friday have 2 x 787's on shorthaul if where I am checking is correct but the same booking engine has some flights without a type which doesn't make it easy for accuracy purposes.
Pete |
TUI
Originally Posted by Matt995
(Post 11353492)
Pete, the TUI booking engine quotes the following re the A320 flights for summer "Flight operated by Smartlynx Estonia on behalf of TUI Airways" :rolleyes:
I was using another non-TUI booking engine :hmm:which still shows some types missing and has the Egyptian flights missing (assume can only be booked via TUI). Is it the flight only, timetable or holidays section? Are they seriously positioning a 787 out for two days to be replaced by a 737 for 2 days (Wednesday I only make 10 aircraft but 12 Friday) Pete |
OP, yes BER or lack of it is utterly mystifying....having just had a ball ache of a drive to MAN to pick up family off an FR flight I am praying that someone, anyone starts BHX-BER!!!! The Flybe service was so damned convenient
Keeping everything crossed BER happens!!! Am holding off booking for April just in case EW do release flights..... |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 11353528)
Hi Matt
Are they seriously positioning a 787 out for two days to be replaced by a 737 for 2 days (Wednesday I only make 10 aircraft but 12 Friday) Pete |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 11353528)
Hi Matt
I was using another non-TUI booking engine :hmm:which still shows some types missing and has the Egyptian flights missing (assume can only be booked via TUI). Is it the flight only, timetable or holidays section? Are they seriously positioning a 787 out for two days to be replaced by a 737 for 2 days (Wednesday I only make 10 aircraft but 12 Friday) Pete The 789 actual does short haul flights on Monday DLM then AYT, Friday, AYT then DLM, and 1 of the 788's does go to BRS for Wednesday/Thursday, so base appears to be 1 789, 2 788s, 2, 320s, and 6 737s ( 3 Maxs, 3 -800s). Not yet checked to see if there is any gaps, think the 737s are based all week, but in high season looks likes 1 788 might go up to Scotland to operate a few long haul flight for the Scottish holidays. |
TUI
Originally Posted by Matt995
(Post 11353926)
Yes the booking engine we use, doesn't show the Egypt flights, however if you make a dummy booking on the TUI holiday website, & try and book your seat, you can at least see the seat plan for the flight, which will indicate if its a 737, 788 or 789.
The 789 actual does short haul flights on Monday DLM then AYT, Friday, AYT then DLM, and 1 of the 788's does go to BRS for Wednesday/Thursday, so base appears to be 1 789, 2 788s, 2, 320s, and 6 737s ( 3 Maxs, 3 -800s). Not yet checked to see if there is any gaps, think the 737s are based all week, but in high season looks likes 1 788 might go up to Scotland to operate a few long haul flight for the Scottish holidays. I have done dummy bookings on some sites but found TUI to be more trouble than it is worth. The only gaps I found were Wednesday with only 10 based but that makes sense if the 788 is off to Bristol but Thursday requires 11 so a 737 must position in to do that and Friday has 12 based in the morning now the extra Alicante is bookable but I assume something will shuffle around. Surprised the Thursday Palma has remained as "other carrier" and that there are still 3 Antalya flights listed as "other carrier". I suppose it will become a lot clearer by the end of January as clearly something has been going on to add a third Boa Vista, remove it along with Almeria and a few Antalya's only for them all to be restored and a third Alicante added. I suppose like everyone else trying to second guess how the locals will spend their ever-squeezed wages. Pete |
Emirates
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 11353474)
GF
Emirates - Still rumours of the 380 this summer, I was hoping Saudi rumours might prompt them :ooh:and certainly QR would get them thinking. Another 615 seat A380 back in service last month but it is slow going. Pete Pete |
Fantastic news 👋👋👋 welcome back the beast!
Come on QR and SV, there's room for you too 👍 |
Originally Posted by GayFriendly
(Post 11355621)
Fantastic news 👋👋👋 welcome back the beast!
Come on QR and SV, there's room for you too 👍 |
I think Saudi is a different market, Qatar maybe similar and if we compare the MAN market QTR has gained much of the Etihad market but Emirates is still very strong as is Saudi so could an interesting summer at BHX
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Saudi isn't a real tourist destination - especially for Brits
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11356500)
Saudi isn't a real tourist destination - especially for Brits
They aren’t a connecting hub and spoke operation beyond domestic up the Riyadh and Taif ( the military BAE connection again) right now, through I believe the local travel agents do offer some capacity beyond Jeddah to Pakistan in particular and at some pretty competitive rates ignoring the hassle of transferring. I very much expect the military/BAE sponsorship would also be at play for operations out of Birmingham. Now it is known that Saudi are actively promoting the growth of managed tourism in the next few years however what that looks like is a work in progress . Areas they are looking at are Neom Bay, Haql in particular ( alternative access to the Red Sea for snorkelling and such ) and certain historical sites ( except Medina ) and no doubt that ecological disaster wall/ city thing ! |
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