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davidjohnson6 14th Feb 2024 19:03

Is there any intent for the BCN / ORY flights to be long-term or are these (as I suspect) purely slot-sitters until BA can enough get airframes and crew to operate routes that they actually want to fly ?

vectisman 14th Feb 2024 19:33


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11597214)
Is there any intent for the BCN / ORY flights to be long-term or are these (as I suspect) purely slot-sitters until BA can enough get airframes and crew to operate routes that they actually want to fly ?

I am not sure it is all to do with frames and crews. Demand for some multi daily short haul business services is still soft particularly in the summer months so cuts to some frequencies has meant some spare slots.

Skipness One Foxtrot 14th Feb 2024 21:07

BA dropped Orly not that long ago 🤦‍♂️
Emirates were operating only 6 daily pre COVID, all A380,
EK7/1/29/31/3/5.

azz767 14th Feb 2024 21:12

Will VUE operate from T5 like IBE do?

Trinity 09L 24th Mar 2024 17:06

Press report today.
”Australian investment house Macquarie is assembling the firepower to buy out several of Heathrow’s existing backers who are scrambling for an exit. The potential change of ownership has been triggered by the decision of Spanish construction outfit Ferrovial to offload its shares in Heathrow after 17 years as its largest investor”

DaveReidUK 24th Mar 2024 18:33


Originally Posted by Trinity 09L (Post 11622688)
Press report today.
”Australian investment house Macquarie is assembling the firepower to buy out several of Heathrow’s existing backers who are scrambling for an exit. The potential change of ownership has been triggered by the decision of Spanish construction outfit Ferrovial to offload its shares in Heathrow after 17 years as its largest investor”

Though denied by Macquarie:

Macquarie denies it is eyeing a stake in Heathrow Airport

Rivet Joint 25th Mar 2024 12:28

What’s going on?
 
Can anyone explain what’s going on at LHR? For as long as I can remember this was London’s premier airport and every operator wanted to operate there and would only use LGW if they couldn’t get access to LHR. Operators were paying huge sums for slots and queuing up at the door to get access.

However, it seems this is now changing. Various operators have left with ITA being a real surprise lately being the national airline of a big European country. If you look at the new routes opening lots of existing operators are also opening duplicate routes up out of LGW. Did not expect to see Singapore Airlines, Air India etc start operating routes at LGW. What has caused LHR to lose its shine?

Personally, I feel the airport allowing the Middle Eastern airlines to get as many slots as they now have is one of the big reasons. Essentially, this has turned LHR into a stopover hub for their operations and passengers rather than it being a world hub all airlines want to serve. The third runway should be an absolute priority to not only LHR but also the country if they don’t want things to become further marginalised.

pabely 25th Mar 2024 12:48

ITA don't own any slots.
Singapore & Air India are expanded shedules, if you don't own more slots you have to look somewhere else.
Quite simple really.

vectisman 25th Mar 2024 13:46

Gatwick is also less expensive to operate from. It has attracted quite a few new entrants lately. I can also envisage Gatwick having its Northern runway in routine use alongside the southern runway before Heathrow gets its third runway.
This is also leading to more interest from airlines.

PAXboy 25th Mar 2024 14:42

LGW will get to use it's 'extra' runway.
LHR will NEVER get a third runway.

BA318 25th Mar 2024 15:09


Originally Posted by Rivet Joint (Post 11623152)
Can anyone explain what’s going on at LHR? For as long as I can remember this was London’s premier airport and every operator wanted to operate there and would only use LGW if they couldn’t get access to LHR. Operators were paying huge sums for slots and queuing up at the door to get access.

However, it seems this is now changing. Various operators have left with ITA being a real surprise lately being the national airline of a big European country. If you look at the new routes opening lots of existing operators are also opening duplicate routes up out of LGW. Did not expect to see Singapore Airlines, Air India etc start operating routes at LGW. What has caused LHR to lose its shine?

Personally, I feel the airport allowing the Middle Eastern airlines to get as many slots as they now have is one of the big reasons. Essentially, this has turned LHR into a stopover hub for their operations and passengers rather than it being a world hub all airlines want to serve. The third runway should be an absolute priority to not only LHR but also the country if they don’t want things to become further marginalised.

Supply and demand. There is huge demand for LHR slots but no new availability. This means the price of those existing slots rise exponentially. Those with the deepest pockets can afford them and buy the others out (especially the ailing legacy carriers like SAS, ITA, Croatia…).

Mr Mac 6th Apr 2024 20:19

Virgin and BA had a coming together I see today ,though Virgin being towed so not on their cheque.

Cheers
Mr Mac

FRatSTN 7th Apr 2024 06:43

It's absolutely supply and demand and Gatwick is getting interest for expansion and those that can no longer retain the LHR slots they need, in the case of ITA for example who were leasing slots.

Personally I think the CAA pricing caps at LHR are counterproductive to the overall LON airport system. I get why they're there principally to protect the public from price hikes due to LHR's dominance in the market. However, it shows that airlines/routes that don't need to be at LHR from an onward connectivity/shared alliance point of view are still willing to pay for it's prestigiousness or still achieve the yields that set LHR apart from the other airports. The reality is many of these foreign airlines are at least partly government owned and those countries will want their national flag carrier to fly into LHR.

Take the Air India routes besides Delhi and Mumbai for example, or someone like Biman Bangladesh, who are very point-to-point, VFR market focussed. They can easily serve that demand from LGW or STN. LHR offers those routes/passengers nothing other than the fact that it's Heathrow.

If more of those routes, including the uplift of African services for instance are now being drawn to LGW rather than LHR then that's a positive development in my view. It would better allow LHR slots to be used more effectively by those airlines and routes where LHR is strategically important, namely hub connectivity, rather than simply the fact that it's Heathrow and looks good from a prestigiouness/perception point of view.

DaveReidUK 7th Apr 2024 10:26


Originally Posted by FRatSTN (Post 11630652)
Take the Air India routes besides Delhi and Mumbai for example, or someone like Biman Bangladesh, who are very point-to-point, VFR market focussed. They can easily serve that demand from LGW or STN. LHR offers those routes/passengers nothing other than the fact that it's Heathrow.

Heathrow has obvious advantages over LGW/STN for the extensive Asian community in West London.

Asturias56 7th Apr 2024 11:04

there's quite a lot of evidence showing that the longer established immigrant communities are moving out from their traditional bases in W London - by the time you get to the second generation people are moving for more space, parking, gardens etc and by the 3rd generation their choices are almost indistinguishable from long term white British

FRatSTN 7th Apr 2024 13:01


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11630782)
Heathrow has obvious advantages over LGW/STN for the extensive Asian community in West London.

Indeed true but the point also is that in reality that market would still travel to LGW/STN to fly direct to their home country if that's where the flights were available from. It might not be as convenient but people would do it. Leisure often do so already too, often willing to travel to an alternative airport for the right fare, timings etc.

The connecting hub traffic and higher yielding premium demand on the other hand depends on LHR. That's what I think the pricing structure fails to recognise. Obviously you can't dictate which airlines must fly from which airport, the market decides, but you could incentivise it with the right pricing regulations.

bvcu 9th Apr 2024 09:44

Anyone know the story behind cargo flights being booted out this month ? Only a couple of legacy operators with old slots allowed to continue ............

Ascupart 11th Apr 2024 07:31

Heathrow urges government to scrap £10 fee for transit passengers


Does a tenner really make that much difference, especially to travellers from the Gulf? Heathrow is bursting at the seams anyway.


Asturias56 11th Apr 2024 07:53

The people who own airports would sue you for 10p if they could

PAXboy 11th Apr 2024 09:13

Indeed Asturias56 It has become a SOP for corporates to fling accusations and 'blame' at anyone. This is done under the guise of PR/Marketing/diverting attention.


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