Have Wizzair 321NEOs had any issues?

I work at LBA. Not that we are aware of. So I suspect same will be said for Jet2.

Can’t think there would be a problem as Wizz 321neo operate successfully from LTN with no issues and their runway is shorter

Perhaps the person who posted the question was hoping Jet2 get some 321LRs for holiday routes to Cape Verdi & Dubai!

Different engines and way of operating. May not see the Jet2 A321 at LBA (just IMO) but certainly the A320 if/when they arrive.

738 Rotations
 

Nerdy question….apologies.

Jet2 have 34 new build 738s, or to put it another way, 43% of their 738 fleet are new build.

I was led to believe all 738s just move around the bases and there are no specific allocations. Yet, if you look at NCL operations over the last few months, the vast majority of the aircraft are new build. Yes, they move around, but the maths still show it’s a mainly new build base. The last week for example, 7 out of 8 are new, way ahead of the expected 43% if it were just random.

Is this just a coincidence or is there an operational decision to put more new builds at NCL?

going out on a whim here by saying it’s coincidence, jet2 love the term ‘to fit the operation’ they’ll send aircraft anywhere and everywhere however I do see the certain AC won’t leave other bases or are only shared via 2 for example FJ and FF without the winglets always seem to be at STN or MAN. However I wanna say the others just get allocated when needed i suppose.

Jet2 have a lot of older 737-800s, since 2006 the SFP (Short Field Performance) package has been available. It improved the takeoff and landing performance of the type. TUI I believe have all their aircraft modified. But with Jet2 having a mixed fleet it would make sense to keep the SFP aircraft in bases where it was most beneficial.
737NG SFP

Funny you should mention FF, as she's now back at LBA for the first in 12 months...

LBA sees quiet a mixture of old and newer Boeing 737-800s depending on maintenance requirements. Oh we can't get rid of the Boeing 737-300 work horses...

love the question as the mathematician in me has always tried to work out if rotations are random or carefully planned or somewhere in between

just to provide more stats to digest in 2019 from
NCL we flew out and back on new 737’s (JZHJ and JZBO ) but last year it was the much older GDFP and GDFS. At that time there seemed to be more older models based than new!

Just had a phone call from a very annoyed Mrs Mac. You may re call earlier in this thread a point I raised re booking flight only trips with Jet 2 and the fact that you get shoved onto the last flights of the day. Well this morning she received an email offering all the earlier flights which were not available to her earlier this year at a cheaper price. To say she is unimpressed is a slight understatement.

I suggested she phone Jet 2 customer relations rather than rant at her husband who is on the other side of the continent !! However I do agree with her it is sharp practise especially when she had this discussion with them and was specifically told that these flights would be for their Holiday customers only. So they either lied or their booking’s v capacity are out of tilt. Anyway glad I am not in customer relations at Jet 2 this morning.

Cheers
Mr Mac

I don't understand, especially for someone with likely more knowledge of the industry than average, your dismay here. Flights to resort destinations are commonly designed around full holiday sales. As the departure nears and booking trends are recalculated, then further seat-only seats can commonly be made available , if there are now different forecasts. Maybe, maybe not. Saying the company 'lied' is quite inappropriate trolling, that's exactly how it was at the time.

It also aligns with typical booking patterns, where those booking holidays peak several months beforehand, while seat-only bookings do so just days/weeks before departure.

Do you get hacked at the supermarket if they charge you £2 for a loaf of bread, when 15 minutes before closing they offer the same product, but only if they have any left, at 20p ?

Yes this is them just selling off seats to raise some money, that they feel will not be sold for holidays. Remember, once that door closes at departure, if that seat is empty, it is a perished product.

Another example of the complaining society that has developed in UK in recent years
They get upset if they find that the person sitting next to them.paid less for their flight. They might have got their act together and booked earlier or the booking system cleared a number of empty seats or as has been suggested the block booking for holidays was over ambitious.
Welcome to the real world!

Well a quick up date she has moved her flight time successfully, and has not paid for the privilege she tells me after discussion with Jet 2.

The use of the word lied, which seems to have caused some emotion is correct. She was told specifically that these flights were ONLY available for their Holiday customers, and that she could not book flight only on them and that they would not be released for flight only. As to the cost, that was immaterial, it was the time off departure / arrival that was her concern. They moved the goalposts at the very least.

I do travel probably more by air than the average person, though on here I am pretty sure there are others with equal or if not greater knowledge of being SLF, but I do find it odd that a company specifically say Holidays only, then changes the rules like that. You are an airline or a holiday company, I struggle to see how you can do both. Would it not be reasonable to allow so many seats for Holiday and so many for flight only on a given A/C ? Anyway she is happy with the outcome which for me is the main thing.

Cheers
M Mac

This is the mistake - should have been told 'currently only available for their Holiday customers' and maybe available later as flight only later, but couldn't be guaranteed. This would then have been like the normal variable pricing used to fill up aircraft.

Tui profess to be a Holiday Company but you can also book flight only. Nothing odd about being both

The Jet2 flights app is dreadful now, they definetly do not have all holiday flight in the flight only app.
So you cannot book all flights as flight only.

When you look on the website and get the flight timetable, it definately has Holiday Only flights blocked out for flight only travellers, so there is no uncertanty there.

Exactly !
Never used to be the case but it is now.

If you visit the TUI website and try to book a one-way flight on some routes 6+ months in advance, the website will happily tell you that every seat has already been booked. Wait until 2 weeks before departure, and the TUI website magically has seats available. Look for example at TUI flights between Gatwick and Frankfurt - TUI want to sell these for people living in the UK who are booking a complete all-inclusive 1-week river cruise package holiday along the Rhine - they are not interested in helping people who consider Lufthansa expensive for travelling between a company's London and Frankfurt offices and who would like to save £20 on the normal Lufthansa airfare.

Both TUI and Jet2 are companies that aim to maximise profit for shareholders. They sell the products they want to sell to the people of their choice at the time of their choice at the price of their choice. They are not a Govt-owned public transport service.

in Oban
If you went back to Covid I would agree with you but over the last 14 months my flights have been full on most trips. My weekly Bus to work is always full in Business and in the back so a lot of people are flying now.

We could use points with LH to fly Mrs Mac to Palma but connections not great and she needs to be in UK on the Friday so not an option. Anyway first world problems as they say.

Cheers
Mr Mac

Speculation from the usually reliable SeanM that Jet2 may order 6-10 A330 NEO next week in Paris……

A bit premature given that an order hasn't been announced, but probably (in this order) MAN, STN, then BHX for operational bases. If it happens it will give TUI food for thought, as since the demise TCX they have had the UK (outside London) markets petty much to themselves.

Not entirely sure where they’d fly them to. TUI make long haul (just about) work thanks to economies of scale across the whole European outbound market, as well as owning half the hotels and cruise ships they serve in the Caribbean. However, even they are being squeezed in certain markets due to increased demand ex-USA and the strong dollar driving up the cost of hotel rooms in the Caribbean/Mexico.

USA is in decline for outbound UK tourists due to cost - loads UK-Florida (across all airlines) are dire right now.

The transatlantic market is heavily dominated by US originating passengers right now, and nobody in the USA has heard of Jet2 (or wants to go to Manchester or Newcastle).

Good luck if true, I’d imagine it’s not though.

That's assuming they would be used in new long haul markets. Could just be used to upgauge their existing markets, though neither seems particularly likely (there, I've just guaranteed the order....:ok:)

In which case they’d be better off dragging some 15-20 year old A330s out of Alice Springs or Victorville. Brand new widebodies are incredibly expensive assets to be using on short haul, where the fuel savings are marginal compared to older aircraft with significantly cheaper leasing costs.

These aircraft would have to be used year round, and there are very few short haul markets that require that capacity in November-March (excluding Christmas and half term).

Just as long as they don’t paint them in that god awful Holidays livery!

Much prefer it to the silver/red scheme. Air Tanker A330s look great in Jet2 temporary livery Just add a sunrise tail and ditch that tacky slogan 'friendly low fares'.

I tend to agreed using the older A330 airframe re new purchase as there are some routes to the Spanish resorts and indeed probably Turkey / Cyprus where that carrying capacity at certain time of the year would be useful. Indeed I noted a Conder A330 today in Palma but you don’t need that lifting capability year round apart from maybe to the Canaries.

Jet 2 have a good history it seems with older aircraft so does the new airframe bring other advantages in either fuel burn or something else which makes a new purchase advantageous?

Cheers
Mr Mac

Dear Mr Airbus

Having recently signed a deal for 35 A20N's (Possible increase to 71), and 63 A21N's (Possible increase to 75). Would it be possible to sit around the table and discuss the acquisition of A339's that would be beneficial to both of us?

To be honest I don't see Jet2 owned A330s based anywhere outside of MAN
Birmingham and Stansted I feel will move to A321-dominated hubs rather than taking on A330s
6-10 would represent a 3-7 A330 upgauge. I feel as if 3-4 of those would be dedicated to Caribbean/other long haul flying
I think a Jet2 base at Gatters is where you will see A330s.

And where do you expect Jet2 to get these LGW slots from?

There are already a lot of flights ex LGW

A few unprofitable charter flights to keep the fleet moving in the depths of winter is a bit different to having enough peak time slots to open a year round base of any significance.

The existing operators will not let Jet2 in. Just look at BA, they’d rather lease slots to easyJet than give them up to the open market.

Yes Vokes I agree, Jet2 have pushed TUI out of much of their UK business, mind you TUI have helped by their poor service now days

I realise that you consider yourself some kind of expert but WHY would Jet2 operate unprofitable flights when there is no need to "keep the fleet moving"?

You’ve just completely contradicted yourself there!

I was referring to current bases when stating "not outside of MAN"