As long as they keep Jess Glynne away from ABZ..... ;)

”Wee darling, haud ma haund.” 😆

Good July
 

Jet2 were the only UK airline not to cancel a flight in July.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co..../20603858.amp/

Fatigue Concerns
 

Jet2 slammed by unions for not wanting to engage in a discussion about pilot fatigue.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp

Oh I can see it they want the airline shut down and all holidays cancelled

Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.

I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.

If it ain't broke...

Depends on your meaning of "hissy fit" - the article says:

Doesn't seem too unreasonable an approach from a union to respond to requests from its members?

It rather depends on whether the union has majority support to start throwing its weight around. And one might also ask how the state of the general “relationships” are between BALPA and Jet2 😜

you have completely missed the point, why were you fatigued?

I think that's none of your business.

If it was due to family and personal circumstances preventing you resting it isn’t. If it was due to rostering practises then in view of the topic it might be of legitimate interest.

I’m with Chesty on this one.

I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.

I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.

The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.

We’re our own worst enemy !

Emergency Landing
 

This sounds quite distressing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/u...woman-27737124

I think the point is though, that the company isn't willing to take advice from experienced professionals in the field of fatigue nor invest in the software to actively look at the roster to identify potentially fatiguing duty blocks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify that a duty on day one checking in around 0500z then a duty on day 2 checking out at 0200z on day 3 is probably going to be a fatiguing change. Why should it be down to a crew member to highlight this, or report fatigued - it should be captured before ever reaching the active roster.

Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response

They are not trained in restraint techniques. If they attempted to physically restrain a passenger and something untoward resulted, they'd be out with the company SOPs and probably left to face subsequent legal action themselves.

Obviously you were there to help out. ?

What a stupid comment to make and not knowing the full story and what crew were involved in the incident i suggest you refrain from posting comments like this

I thought the Air Navigation Order exists to give crew very strong powers to do whatever seems necessary at the time, especially post 9/11 ?

If I may rephrase my point, if it's a personal issue you call in sick, but if you are fatigued due poor rostering or unforeseen circumstances then it's not a personal issue is it?

A totally unjust statement.

For a start, there are inconsistences with what is/was being reported, and what the video shows. Agreed, the passenger is behaving in an unacceptable manner towards a cabin crew member and another passenger. Given the stature female staff involved, and the abuse she was subjected to, I applaud her efforts to remain calm. I wasn’t there but it does appear that a fellow passenger intervened to alleviate the situation. However, I feel there is more to this incident than journalism and social media are enabling constructive comment to be made.

It was a serious incident necessitating a divert to offload the offending passenger. I for one am prepared to wait for an official outcome, before falling foul of casting ill-informed judgment.

An interesting point. I’m sure there have been incidents reported on this forum of cabin staff restraining passengers, just like there have been of passengers doing likewise. Supper is ready; therefore, research is on hold.

Yeh……one huge inconsistency is the fact that the included video is of a totally different incident that occurred at the end of March !

If you are fatigued because of a personal issue you call in fatigued. If you are fatigued for any other reason you call in fatigued. If you think you might be fatigued because of a particular block of duties you file a future fatigue report.

But whether a personal issue or not it's still not any of your business why I may have done any of the above.

G-VYGL went back to Brize Norton in Early hours of this morning after getting back from Dalaman. Parked at the Air Tanker area at the moment. Not sure if it was scheduled for any flights today or not

G-VYGL reported as 'end of lease' return to Brize.

So I see Jet2 have just announced their Iceland breaks for W23/24, looks like a decent schedule being offered and I'm glad to see this aspect of the operation growing. I presume the Christmas market breaks to Berlin, Vienna and the like will be coming up next.

Which begs the question, are we going to see a return of New York? As best I can tell they were turning a profit, more flights offered each year, even filling the A330's. What do we reckon? Will the A321neo's be able to cut it? AFAIK they aren't LR's, but there should be a couple in the fleet by W23.

Its back tomorrow. No end of lease - Goes back after October half term.

Good to see more route growth with city breaks and summer sun announced recently. Do we think there will be any additional base expansion also?

How long is EC-MAJ (Wamos) and the other 2 x A330's on lease until? Will any also be here for the Winter 2022 schedule?

I see Summer 2023 they have 3 booked in, where are these coming from? Guess it's 2 x Air Tanker, but what about the other?

In the short term I would imagine the focus is on restoring profitability post-Covid and riding out the looming recession. Longer term, it will be interesting to see where they go next. Excluding London, the busiest airports not served by Jet2 are:

Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter

Of that list, I would say Cardiff and Liverpool are the most likely. It depends on how much overlap their is with their own markets at Manchester/Bristol.

Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.

interesting thoughts and agree that the south/south east is not yet served by them and would probably be high up on their wish list. Of those highlighted, maybe SOU with their runway extension and no direct competition, also has a large catchment area!!

Cardiff? Unlikely, given they are at Bristol and you don't need to pay to cross the Severn anymore.
They have already felt their way at Gatwick with the ski and Santa charters over the winter. The issue would be in finding suitable slots.
Initially, there will be expansion at Manchester and Birmingham with the new Airbus fleet. Probably some minor expansion at other bases as they balance the fleets.

An interesting thought. Southampton has the potential to be an absolute gold mine for an airline like Jet2, providing they can iron out a few major issues.

Now we all know that Southampton has handled 737 800's, A321's and 757's in the past on an ad-hoc basis and A319/20's and E-195's on a regularly scheduled basis. However there are a number of important points.

1. People love Southampton, SOU/LGW have essentially the same catchment outside of London. The main difference is that most passengers prefer to use Southampton if it suits their needs. This relies on Southampton being able to absorb a 4, 6, 8, 10... However many aircraft base in the long term and still keep its attraction as a convenient, friendly, easy to use, small airport with brilliant public transport links. From personal experience, one of the best in the country and I love it. London City has managed to get up to 5mppa and keep its attraction, so it's not impossible. If Southampton clogs itself up though and becomes a sh*tshow... Advantage Gatwick.

2. Runway length. The extension will put SOU between SEN and BRS in terms of runway length. You can launch an A320 to the Canaries out of SEN and pretty much any narrowbody to anywhere meaningful out of SEN. So I'd be optimistic that the 738 SFP at LS could operate a meaningful number of their bread and butter routes, year round pretty reliably with only minimal penalties. I'd hope the same could be said for the A321neo, it appears to have great performance and Thomas Cook managed the bog standard A321 out of Bristol with 212 punters onboard... The A21N has to be better.
I reckon it's safe to say that continental Europe isn't going to be an issue at all. The canaries, further flung Greek islands and Cyprus might take occasional penalties.

3. Is there enough room for SOU to handle (for example, medium term, not an unreasonable estimate) 8 based aircraft up to the size of an A321neo. Park them overnight, boot them all out within 2-3 hours in the morning before receiving, turning and booting again in a wave in the afternoon? Firstly it appears that would take up half of the available stands. Stand 1 can't be used. Stands 13 and 14 are push and tow to A6, then start up, which would be a bit of a ballache but not the end of the world. It appears some work would need to be done to the terminal and apron to make SOU attractive to Jet2 and able to support a sizeable base. I can't see Jet2 being interested if they were capped at 2/3 aircraft.

Do Jet2 operate the SFP 738? If so it would probably suit SOU quite comfortably. From small acorns and all that, I could imagine a LCC start up with a 2 plane base and to accommodate say a dozen routes initially

I would be amazed if they couldn't make Gatwick work. Many people in the South East would use them, and would be good to give TUI competition also.

I think Jet2 at Gatwick is very unlikely, as they have set up quite a decent operation at Stansted which works for them and Gatwick offers fierce completion from not only TUI but also all the low-cost carriers. Southampton I think could work well for them with a couple of based aircraft as said above operating key holiday routes (the usual Alicante, Malaga, Palma, Canaries, Greece, Turkey etc) with some scope of growth in the future. TUI operated quite an awful summer programme in terms of punctuality this year with many long delays, so may be able to entice people away from using TUI at Gatwick.

Post-COVID Bournemouth has been handling more passengers than Exeter and Southampton e.g July 2022 BOH 97,553, SOU 71,353, EXT 47,449

Yes, some of their new builds are SFP.

Can’t see EXS going anywhere near BOH and trying to muscle in on a well served TUI/RYR base. If they do head south, it’s either LGW or SOU with maybe a preference for SOU simply because of little to no competition there along with first class transport links

Stansted?

Did SOU agree restricted opening hours as part of the runway planning permission?

According to rumour, Jet2 were looking at a Hurn base for 2021. 2020 had been considered, but a lack of crew thwarted that. Covid scuppered the plans.