Not like Malaga at all

All of those...
 

Used to fly to Sharm, Taba and Hurghada regularly.

Started Tunisia and Morocco just before the Arab Spring uprising and stopped immediately.

I didn't say they were small, just UK centric, TUI can funnel customers from Germany, Belgium, Netherlands (usually) as well as UK and in fact within UK are using Easyjet alot (certainly to Egypt).
Economies of scale, as I type there are 3 Max's on the way down to SSH and I suspect a few TUI customers on the EZY flights from BRS & LGW today so demand is around.
Jet2 seem to be sticking to traditional bucket & spade routes which is fine if that is where the money is for them.

no plans for smartlynx - possibly Titan but not smartlynx out of STN.

Cheers
(very much)

I think it is time for Jet2 to start thinking ahead on fleet and destinations and not trusting in the EU summer and winter destinations, times are changing and I think the destination choices should too.

I think it time for Jet2 to think about Orlando, Las Vegas, Niagra Fall, Toronto To name a few.

USA and Canada is a difficult market at present as can be seen from Virgin and US Airlines

Not sure what EU has got to do with it. The UK status with the EU is the same its relationship with any other country nowadays.

If however Jet2 wish compete at the cheap end of the package holiday market 'reinventing' Romania and put more resources into Bulgaria, Turkey etc.

You are reading to much into it, the EU, I was using it as a geographical area not politically I should have said Europe.

what I’m saying is times are changing and lots of individual restrictions and alert levels all over your flying program is causing havoc, people are looking further a field for their holiday and with Ryanair flying people all over Europe for peanuts something will have to give or change.
yes virgin offer flights but I’m talking about a big move by a charter holiday airlines inti this market.

It would be a big move - like buying more aircraft

daz211

I did get the wrong end of the stick.

Florida, particularly the Orlando region is a strange one. Having 'done' them twice I don't see the attraction, and certainly not in stifling summer humidity!

Between them TUI and Virgin Holidays really have that market sewn up from London, Manchester and Scotland. Perhaps Jet2 could build a market from the likes of NCL, LBA, EMA and BRS but would that give them a big enough presence to do decent deals with hotel and car rental companies?

Don`t forget Aer Lingus UK is In Florida market as well so if another it would be a blood bath

Package holiday destinations lost when TCX went bust would be the first port of call if they were to do it, however why break something that's not fixed?

I would love to see Cuba (Holguin, Cayo Coco), Mexico (Cancun), Jamaica (Montego Bay), Dominican Republic (Punta Cana), Goa and Gambia during the winter - can't see it happening anytime soon though! . Plus they would then need a serious amount of change within the airline in terms of long haul frames, pilots, cabin & ground crews and tour operations would need to do a hell of a lot of contracting before they even start... we can dream!

Happy new year all!

Wouldn't they need 321NEO LRs or 330s for that? Is their Airbus Order flexible in that way? I think the market is still too risky for such a venture.

Just seen an advert on UK TV by AirTransit for Canadian Holidays so they see a market but.....an existing LH operation using existing equipment to service a leisure demand is very different from something from scratch.

TUI already have the market to ORLANDO and CANCUN sewn up from NCL.

I think in the current climate they'd be much better advised to stick to what they know works for them.

There were already operators on lots of the routes Jet2 serve but they have still managed to expand. Allegedly because they have great customer service with reps etc.

Their CEO did also mention recently that he was interested in the prospect of long haul expansion.

If Jet2 can go in with a better offer then they can easily force weaker operators out.

I would have thought that Orlando (although calling Melbourne Orlando is almost 'Ryan-esque') is hardly sewn up at 1 x weekly and 1 x fortnightly given the catchment of NCL.

I’m not suggesting stopping what they are good at and yes that would be madness but the following and loyalty Jet2 has would easily carry them smoothly into the long haul holiday market and run along side the European network.

Key would be to offer the routes from Most of their bases and not stick to Manchester.

They have a very different business model compared to the Ryanair race to the bottom approach. I'm pretty sure that they will come out of the pandemic in a stronger position compared to others due to the way that they have treated their customers and partners.

They have said never say never when it comes to long haul but I doubt that now is the right time.

Without a cruise contract and deal with a major theme park (Both covered by VS and TUi) Florida would be a disaster for the likes Jet2 .
Travel to Toronto has declined as the gradual VFR traffic has diluted for twenty odd years.

Now as for travel to the EU, it remains price, accommodation and convenience driven right now - the last is about to change and few realise it !

2022 summer will be the last opportunity for FREE unfettered access for British passport holders because as a third country we will soon have to apply for and book in advance on the ETIAS programme something similar to the US ESTA and a charge will be made said to be in the region of £7 to £20 per person . They will be valid for up to 90 days with unlimited entry/exit during that time. however remember you can only stay for a maximum of 90 days in any one 180 day period . Forget the idea of a November to end of March vacation in Paphos !
You already need a minimum period of 6 months your passport before expiry.

Forget that overnight trip to Paris or the sudden Hen/Stag party a few days before without checking your guests ETAIS status !

As for longer haul either means fewer more spaced out holidays , or indeed remains the focus for more wealthy travellers period stop

Goa, Holguin, Cayo Coco were once or twice weekly routes at best and often with a premium in fares to subsidise. They would not be the routes to go after (by anyone, let alone J2)

Thanks - must admit I hadn't heard of this. All you need to know on the link below!

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/

Its really not going to cause that much trouble. The 90 day rule has already been in place a year now. And according to most reports it will be valid for two to three years similar to a US ESTA which hasn’t dampened demand to the states.

99% of people will be able to get one in 2 mins on a website just like they can for the US.

Edit: The link posted shows it will cost €7 and be valid for three years. Hardly going to kill demand.

I searched your posts for the word "Brexit".
It yielded "About 99 results".
How can anyone post so many times using the word "Brexit" in a post and not know the above

ETIAS is another (dubious) benefit of the debacle beginning with a 'B' and one that the overwhelming majority of the British will be oblivious to until it hits them in the wallet.

Not onerous, just another inconvenience.

And I thought I had too much time on my hands... :rolleyes:

Haven't travelled to the EU for a number of years and unlikely to be going in the near future. Brexit has had a huge work impact though nothing to do with moving prople - thank you for asking :ok:

It will be a major inconvenience without a public information campaign .

BA mini bus I wouldn't be so flippant, is saying it won't dampen demand . It will for last minute trips when people find out they have to go to web site register input details and receive a code and authority to travel beyond Dover !
As for the validity period I believe this has yet to settled within the Schengen member states that include two EEA states and Switzerland.

Funny this Europe thing isn't it .
Can be a member of Schengen and not be in the EU
Can be in the single market and not be in the EU
Can be in a customs union, and Schengen have a multitude of bilateral trade agreements and still not be in the EU !

Could I very gently suggest moving discussion of ETIAS to a separate non-Jet2 thread ?
Once the UK Govt starts talking to the masses about the need for ETIAS to visit the EU, there will indeed be some raised eyebrows, and it will create a fair bit of media activity, along with related impact on flying and many many airlines. It's very much worthy of discussion on this website and I would like to take part in that debate... but the Jet2 thread is maybe not the optimal place for that discussion

Are now, which is the UK, remind me

Ha Ha as a Simpsons character might say .

Agreed well worth an independent thread

And who exactly are the “weaker operators”?

Any thoughts of Jet2 doing long haul is pure cuckoo. Flying half empty aircraft across Europe is one thing, flying half empty aircraft across the Atlantic is another altogether. Suicide

Jet2 have beat TUI in Europe (ended up being bigger from the UK market) so they can do it long haul.

They have experience with some long haul with their New York Christmas flights. A few A330s which would allow long haul flights and extra Europe capacity when needed wouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

The argument that the market is already full would mean we’d never see any changes. The Europe market was booming when Jet2 entered with dozens of charter operators and low cost carriers yet they have still managed to grow well.

Not a convincing argument. Much of Jet2’s recent growth has been due to the failure of other operators.
The current business model works well so why change it?

I am amused by those posters who constantly demand new routes and new aircraft without any knowledge of the economics involved. They then take great delight in criticising those very plans. Oh the delight of armchair CEOs.

@daz411, you have generated much debate, suddenly Jet2 are flying to the US with A330s where the Executive Chairman states in the Interim Report only "to the Mediterranean, the Canary Islands and to European Leisure Cities." in is latest update in Nov 2021 which now even seems outdated!
Then they were talking about capacity increase for S22 vs S19, I wonder if this will still be true?

At this present moment I agree. It's absolute banana's to even think about flying anything other than what they know. If we have some proper world leadership rather soon which is "lets just crack on" and stop testing every man and his dog, Long Haul Travel and Short Haul will return in an abundance.
But pre-covid, the airline had a high load factor and operated with full flights, or 80+% load factor (even 90%+) on most flights on most routes throughout the whole year. Just look at their accounts to find out the LF%.

Whilst Long Haul, and subsequent operations for Holidays, are different, one thing Jet2 are not afraid of is meeting the challenge head on. Now there is no TC in the market, Jet2 have that part of the market to tap into. Offering a different product to TUI and been a competitor to them. After all Jet2 are not daft and would probably get, somehow, some cruise liners involved to make it viable also.

Exactly this. I also agree - MAN, BHX, STN - will be the 3 main long haul bases. Offering it from EMA, NCL, GLA/EDI, BRS, would be also a good shout. If they would make it work in LBA, and LBA's infrastructure can handle long haul, then LBA would also be a good shout.

Jet2 would have to be brave to go into cruise ships right now...

Hello my friends have just booked to fly MAN-ACE, the seat plan is the B752, I know some of the window seats just before the wing don’t actually have a window, does anyone know what number seats these are.
many thanks in advance.

None of the 75's have seats without windows.

Enjoy your flight - and the view!