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OzzyOzBorn 27th Nov 2020 22:18

EasyJet-6
 
Venice is predominantly leisure traffic. And access is severely restricted for vacation travel by Covid measures at this time. The cruise industry - a major factor at Venice - is likely to be the very last sector to return to (a much reduced) "normal". I would speculate that cruises will operate at a fraction of 2019 volumes until well into 2022 at best. So given the need to reduce exposure in the short-term, it makes sense for EasyJet to cut there until business can return more fully. Venice is not alone in facing cutbacks - some bases have been closed, others face reductions too. But one particular challenge for carriers serving Northern Italy is that it is relatively easy for German, French, Benelux tourists to drive there in their own vehicles. And many may choose to do this given the fear of flying in a Covid world - even if we in the industry can point to mitigating measures and low incidence of flight-induced infections. For much of the public, the trust just isn't there yet. Confidence may be slow to return. One advantage of the UK market (from an airline perspective) is its island status. If one is travelling to Italy, then driving from the UK implies an expensive ferry or Euroshuttle (rail) crossing and a very lengthy drive with overnight paid accommodation likely required in both directions. So UK-Italy routes should perform more strongly than those serving more 'drivable' overland jurisdictions.

Jamesair1 28th Nov 2020 08:07

Thank you for the well reasoned, factual explanation

mariofly12 28th Nov 2020 20:56

I understand your point of view but Milan is also Northern Italy, a drivable destination and it has been the hotbed of the virus in Italy, yet there Easyjet will reduce fleet just by 1 a/c..And competition abounds at MXP with FR, W6 bases

davidjohnson6 28th Nov 2020 21:02

Milan's traffic is highly diversified (ie reduces the dependency on a single market sector for pax), and has a large amount of locally originating traffic with a mix of business, VFR, tourism, etc - as opposed to being primarily inbound tourism

OzzyOzBorn 29th Nov 2020 02:14

davidjohnson6 is correct. But in addition to the valid points he makes, don't underestimate the importance of the cruise ship market at Venice. The cruise industry is comatose for now and will return only very slowly. Milan has no reliance on the cruise business for its passenger flows. But it is a major factor for carriers serving Venice.

MARK 101 29th Nov 2020 18:20

Only thing is even before the pandemic ,Venice was already putting pressure on cruise companies to scale back due to the effect the numbers were having on the city. this may of course change after the hit Italys tourism industry has taken

Dannyboy39 1st Dec 2020 09:33

So easyJet are changing their cabin bag policy on flights from next Feb. In essence coming into line with Wizzair preventing people bringing on a large cabin bag. If you booked extra legroom you can bring on an additional large cabin bag. This also penalises people who have already booked and deferred from this summer. Those affected by this will get an offer of “hands free” by checking in their large cabin bags.

davidjohnson6 1st Dec 2020 13:55

Was Easyjet being significantly out-competed on base airfare by other LCCs who could afford to charge less because other LCCs were bringing in more ancillary luggage revenue and Easyjet was just too generous on luggage allowance ?
Or is it simply a way (effectively) to raise average customer spend, independent of actions of rivals ?

I'm trying to decide whether this unbundling will likely see a (small but non-trivial) decrease in the base air fare that Easyjet charge, so as to compete on price against rivals... or if average air fare will be largely unchanged

FRatSTN 1st Dec 2020 16:55

Undoubedtly a push for more revenue in the short-term as overhead locker space is hardly at a premium in the current world.

At least as some kind of normal resumes, I'm not so sure this will work out quite how EZY might like to hope. The key difference from the Ryanair/Wizz policies is both still allow any customer to purchase priority boarding for the 2nd larger carry-on, irrespective of seat selection. EasyJet don't appear to be offering that to the majority, standard customers where the only option is to go "hands free" and check-in any additional bag (which of course Ryanair/Wizz still offer as well).

The main purpose of the Ryanair bag policy change in 2018 was to strike the right balance of cabin vs check-in bags as too many were going in the hold causing ground handling issues and delays. In other words, they sell priority to the capacity of the overhead bins, which I think's up to 90 pax, and everything else is checked-in at bag drop. That's also why they stopped selling priority at the gate last minute through the app. To little surprise, in normal times at least, they achieve this regularly with priority often a sell out. All in all, it works very well.

With EasyJet, they quote 42-63 seats depending on aircraft type fall into "up front" or "extra legroom" plus any flexi and easy plus cardholders that are elligable to 2 carry-on's. That would struggle to fill capacity of the overhead bins most of the time and would depend how heavily booked up front seats or flexi/plus customers there are. The result being too many customers forced to check-in additional items leading to more bags going in the hold whilst cabin space still flying partially fresh air. Suddenly they find themselves in the same situation Ryanair were in previously.

May not become an apparent issue while demand is so low, but if and when things pick-up, neither a win-win for airline or customer I fear.

flyingtincan 1st Dec 2020 19:19

Last time I was on easyJet, in "normal" times, the overhead lockers were full; the cabin crew desperately trying to find room for the last couple of bags.
It was not so much a problem on Ryanair, presumably due to the 90 pax cut off.

racedo 1st Dec 2020 20:02


Originally Posted by FRatSTN (Post 10938289)
Undoubedtly a push for more revenue in the short-term as overhead locker space is hardly at a premium in the current world.

May not become an apparent issue while demand is so low, but if and when things pick-up, neither a win-win for airline or customer I fear.

Easyjet's requirement is to make money, all else is secondary, no matter how much spin the marketing and pr director puts on it.

If customers don't wish to pay more then that is up to them but ultimately customers will pay, whether they like it or not is a wholly different debate.

davidjohnson6 1st Dec 2020 20:19

racedo - I agree that Easyjet seek to make maximum profit. However, do Easyjet have the pricing power in the market to effectively raise the cost of flying by increasing the cost of luggage items which are larger than a small rucksack ? Or is competition with Ryanair forcing them to lower the headline "basic bum on seat and nothing else" fare while moving more of the revenue into ancillaries ? While I'm quite happy to fly with just a small rucksack that fits under a seat, many pax will want a larger piece of luggage (Mrs Johnson definitely won't stay overnight without her make-up bag) so we really have a disguised fare increase. Some pax will pay - but I'm still wondering if Easyjet really have this control over the market that you seem to suggest. I imagine that Easyjet are doing this now so that it's not really noticed but will take effect for booking done over the Xmas period when people aren't working and are thinking about whether to go away in spring/summer 2021, by which time vaccines will likely be readily available to the elderly/vulnerable and (airlines hope) demand for cross-border leisure travel returns

Partly related, I'm thinking also of the previous "booking transaction fee" that Easyjet used to charge - about £15 per booking, whether it was for one person flying one sector, or a large group flying multiple sectors - which Easyjet eventually abandoned, presumably because rivals didn't use this as a pricing model

brian_dromey 1st Dec 2020 20:31

The revenue model has also been turned upside down allowing flexible changes up to 14 days before departure and refunds in the case of quarantine has to wreck a lot of their previous revenue.
That said, their policy is nowhere near as generous as BA or Ryanair, for example. their refund performance in my case has also been very poor. Overall I’m not sure that easyJet are heading in the right direction here. The Ryanair & Wizz model actually works well for almost everybody. Backpacks only, carry-on only, small check-in for £12, or the heavier check-in bags, there’s something for most travellers. The deluge of 150 trolley bags are kept out of the cabin, which makes boarding so much less chaotic.

lfc84 1st Dec 2020 20:59

davidjohnson6

the admin booking fee was per transaction
so it was prudent to add lots of sectors to the reservation

atakacs 1st Dec 2020 22:31

Except that you can not book hold luggage to only part of your reservation...

racedo 1st Dec 2020 22:34

davidjohnson6

The aviation market means nobody controls or has control over pricing in the market. I have friends who will quite happily fly Easyjet anywhere but will avoid Ryanair unless they have zero options. They will complain all about the Ryanair flight even when price is 40% of a similar length Easyjet flight, even getting delayed by 2 hrs on one is ok but the other is bloody Ryanair delayed us.

Individual flight decisions are made across a wide range of factors. Yeah I know it doesn't apply to you my oddball friend, who flies with everybody BUT you are the outlier 1% who knows what they want V the 99%.

I would suggest that if you split the London based UK fliers down who take 6 or more sectors a year you will find Easyjet / Ryanair / Wizz / etc loyalists with varying degrees of loyalty. Depending on background as well, the old "We only shop in Waitrose for everything 15 years ago, who now proclaim that Lidl offers a good selection of wines which is why we shop there brigade" v "We fly anybody".

The Waitrose shoppers will still buy Waitrose when visitors are coming round V normal shopping, just like some will go BA rather than Easyjet to do the old Mrs Bucket "Keeping up appearances".

davidjohnson6 1st Dec 2020 22:48


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10938504)
Yeah I know it doesn't apply to you my oddball friend, who flies with everybody

I'm proud to be a "I'll go with anyone" oddball ! :O

vikingivesterled 2nd Dec 2020 00:14

These days its easyJet trundling after Ryanair (and Wizz) rather than for them the better before when Ryanair always was; look what easy have done to their website and lets do that. Now when Norwegian is as good as finished in the premium LCC it could have been a nice sole player niche for easyJet. Cheaper than the networks but not as bad for customer experience as Ryanair. after FR's loss of its Always Getting Better chief. No chance of that now when easy have an ex Ryanair as operations chief. Even though he does have a year or two of premium cabin experience.

stormin norman 2nd Dec 2020 13:22

Charging for overhead locker space is one notch short of a pound in the slot for toilet.

Easyjet has just lost my business.

Flightrider 2nd Dec 2020 13:28

As a pretty regular traveller with them, I can't say that I've seen a single problem to suggest this move is necessary or warranted. Hand baggage on easyJet flights has been far better managed than the fiasco which I regularly saw on BA short-haul in the latter stages of boarding. This looks to me like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

businessair75 2nd Dec 2020 15:50

stormin norman

As far as I can see, they aren't charging for use of the overhead lockers. The policy says the new standard allowance/dimensions should fit under the seat rather than has to be stowed under the seat. If there is space in the lockers when you board, I doubt they are going to forbid you putting your bag in one.

easyflyer83 2nd Dec 2020 15:56

Flightrider

It exists, trust me. It’s dependent on time of the year, routes and markets but easyJet offloads an average of 14 bags per sector.

EZY crew do manage it better than BA crew form my observations of BA flights too but easyJet crew have had years to master the art and that requires crew to be actively involved. Even so, last minute offloads are a big source of customer dissatisfaction. This is also why there isn’t an option to purchase this extra allowance, it is linked to certain seats and plus card holders. Had it been possible to purchase extra allowance it would defeat the object of the new policy and that would certainly be a case of profiteering.

pabely 2nd Dec 2020 17:27

Customers on TLV routes won't be happy!

racedo 2nd Dec 2020 20:21


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10938514)
I'm proud to be a "I'll go with anyone" oddball ! :O

I knew you would resent oops resemble that remark.

davidjohnson6 3rd Dec 2020 02:03

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...19bn-debt-pile
This is most definitely not an encouraging sign of Easyjet's financial health. Yes, they are doing something about it before it gets to a critical state (i.e. we are not about to see Easyjet go bust in the next 3 months), but hiring Alix usually means senior management is rather worried

businessair75 3rd Dec 2020 11:07

Alix was enlisted back in May near the start of the crisis.

pabely 6th Dec 2020 17:40

Easyjet Europe running a program on 25/12 this year, don't remember that before. Not Uk flight program but obvoiusly will require some ops backup from HO.

easyflyer83 6th Dec 2020 18:15

Much of EJU operated last Christmas day. The previous few years saw AMS, LIS, BCN and OPO flying.

EZS has always flown Christmas Day for as long as a I can remember.

Essentially, easyJet has never totally shut up shop. There is still ops cover and there is standby coverage by U.K. based crew.

pabely 8th Dec 2020 19:38

I know, just more noticeable this year after the low of what is just 22 sectors flown one day a couple of weeks ago.
Heard 1000+ for 27th.
MOL thinks it will be a consolated EZY/EZS/EJU/WZZ soon anyhow!

ESCNI 8th Dec 2020 22:00

To carry the same hand baggage as this year, it will now cost our family of five an extra £320 next year ... representing an additional 60% on our flight costs.

Are they deliberately trying to lose our business?

davidjohnson6 8th Dec 2020 22:12

ESCNI - are there other airlines which provide comparable service at a price less than Easyjet, on the same route and same dates that you want ? And yes, factor in baggage charges for both Easyjet and the other airline

You may wish to look at Easyjet's cheaper option of 'Hands Free' (£16 one way for a family group of 6 people, each person gets a bag in the cargo hold) or being able to carry an additional large cabin bag by reserving extra leg room seats
If you choose the 'Hands free family' option, £320 covers 20 oneway sector for your family

Dannyboy39 9th Dec 2020 08:14

pabely

For those who aren’t aware about this last line - MOL said in an interview with Eurocontrol the other day that he expects five airline alliances to form and that RYR would be the only LCC with EZY merging with WZZ as both of them have higher cost bases than them.

I’ll have some of what he’s smoking but it just underlines how an even lower race to the bottom he is seeking to achieve.

ESCNI 9th Dec 2020 08:21

Other airlines (eg Aer Lingus or LOT) on different routes offer much lower rates for baggage. At this early stage, our holiday destination can easily be influenced by flight price.

The family bundle sounds like a good alternative but, in a trial bookking, I can't see where it gives me this option.

"A Family Bundle consists of one cabin bag per person where all persons are on a single booking. The max number of passengers for the group bundle is 6." ... No mention of any bags in the hold, and no defined size for the cabin bag. Is the family bundle only available to customers who have booked Up front or Extra legroom seats?

davidjohnson6 9th Dec 2020 08:22

Why would Easyjet merging with Wizz be a bad idea from a profitability / shareholder point of view ?
Fleet commonality ? Tick
Complementary networks ? Tick
Similiar product offering ? Tick

I agree it would be bad for employees and work conditions but shareholders tend not to be interested in that

TBSC 9th Dec 2020 09:21

Management team? Tick

vikingivesterled 9th Dec 2020 11:22

O'Leary is just trying to soften the troublesome competitor Wizz that has lower cost than Ryanair (Take the 2019 published total cost of each airline and divide it by amount of passengers)
Merging Wizz with the much higher cost than Ryanair easyJet will again make Ryanair the airline of size with the lowest cost base in Europe.
And that is why it would be bad for Wizz's profitability and shareholders. And possibly easy's watering out its premium LCC brand with Wizz's cheaper than chips brand. But easyJet might be doing a bit of the latter part themselves removing the easy part of their customer service by slowly copying Ryanair's most hated traits.

FRatSTN 9th Dec 2020 13:13


the troublesome competitor Wizz that has lower cost than Ryanair
Until such a stage that Wizz starts needing trade union representation. With all this expansion into Western-Europe and Scandinavia, could come sooner rather than later. It's the only reason in reality why Ryanair set-up Buzz, Lauda, Malta Air etc. so they can reallocate labour on favourable terms and minimise the cost impact of unions. Wizz could be forced to do something similar.

SWBKCB 9th Dec 2020 13:21

Personally I can't wait for the combined purple, pink and orange colour scheme :ok:

ib26uk 13th Dec 2020 20:34

Anybody know of the new schedule release date?..

I want to book flights from Friday 1st October 2021 onwards.......

True Blue 13th Dec 2020 21:11

Tuesday I think.


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