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SJL26779 31st Jul 2023 23:18


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 11477203)
odd that TUI NCL-Cancun 788 did a fuel stop in GLA ?
stop press:
Unfortunately, due to weather conditions at Newcastle Airport affecting the performance of the aircraft, the flight was forced to make a stop at Glasgow in order to pick additional fuel for the onward journey.

Not sure what "weather" conditions we had that would affect this

The Flying Stool 1st Aug 2023 08:44

A combination of a short, wet runway, slack winds, low air pressure and a heavy aircraft. It hasn't been explained properly but basically it can take off, just not with enough fuel to get all the way to Cancun. Glasgow may have had higher air pressure, a more favourable headwind and the runway is longer. This happens regularly at Newcastle. It can even happen on Cyprus or Canary Island flights from Newcastle. Nobody is making stuff up here.

Smudge's Lot 1st Aug 2023 08:44

Wet runway/low pressure/not enough headwind component all balanced against passenger load/fuel required for the flight(usually overall headwind component going westbound)
It's a HUGE balancing act and the decision to go somewhere else for more fuel has to be taken early.

Smudge's Lot 1st Aug 2023 08:45

Ha, we crossed!

SWBKCB 1st Aug 2023 08:53


Originally Posted by The Flying Stool (Post 11477383)
A combination of a short, wet runway, slack winds, low air pressure and a heavy aircraft. It hasn't been explained properly but basically it can take off, just not with enough fuel to get all the way to Cancun. Glasgow may have had higher air pressure, a more favourable headwind and the runway is longer. This happens regularly at Newcastle. It can even happen on Cyprus or Canary Island flights from Newcastle. Nobody is making stuff up here.

Yes, it's not unusual to see flights to the far Med or the Canaries go off 07 when weather conditions allow, when the rest of the traffic pattern is 25. 07 has fewer obstacles so allowing departures at higher weights.

LW940 1st Aug 2023 09:26

Ryanair’s route to Shannon seems to be a bit of a slow starter

23% load factor; 44 pax for May!

Jamesair1 2nd Aug 2023 07:33

Not sure why they changed Cork for Shannon......Cork always seemed to have reasonable loads.

AVGEEK7812 2nd Aug 2023 08:33


Originally Posted by Jamesair1 (Post 11477925)
Not sure why they changed CORK for SHANNON,,,,CORK always seemed to have reasonable loads.

your posts are incredibly annoying to read. Why are some words in CAPITAL letters? Shannon & Cork is so much easier to read than all caps

Jamesair1 2nd Aug 2023 15:29

Just force of habit....no wish to cause nervous breakdowns...I have mended my ways.

VickersVicount 2nd Aug 2023 16:44


Originally Posted by LW940 (Post 11477402)
Ryanair’s route to Shannon seems to be a bit of a slow starter

23% load factor; 44 pax for May!

A youtuber showing an empty cabin. Another for the bin I suspect. 189 seats on that is ridiculous.

GrahamK 2nd Aug 2023 18:22


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 11478225)
A youtuber showing an empty cabin. Another for the bin I suspect. 189 seats on that is ridiculous.

Have to agree, why they canned Cork , which was doing a lot better, and replaced it with an airport in the middle of nowhere. Was never going to be a popular choice, even with Ryanairs low fares

AVGEEK7812 2nd Aug 2023 18:49


Originally Posted by GrahamK (Post 11478275)
Have to agree, why they canned Cork , which was doing a lot better, and replaced it with an airport in the middle of nowhere. Was never going to be a popular choice, even with Ryanairs low fares

Airport in the middle of no where? I think not. Its near Limerick and Galway. Very popular cities. Also near loads of tourist attractions in Clare. It has a tonne of business’ in the region with numerous on its door step in Shannon Ind estate.

Loads of routes work out of SNN including BHX, MAN, EDI, LPL. It has more routes to the US than NCL.

Great for a ‘Airport in the middle of no where’

N707ZS 2nd Aug 2023 21:20

Could do with more none bucket and spade routes.

JKKne 2nd Aug 2023 21:36


Originally Posted by AVGEEK7812 (Post 11478284)
Airport in the middle of no where? I think not. Its near Limerick and Galway. Very popular cities. Also near loads of tourist attractions in Clare. It has a tonne of business’ in the region with numerous on its door step in Shannon Ind estate.

Loads of routes work out of SNN including BHX, MAN, EDI, LPL. It has more routes to the US than NCL.

Great for a ‘Airport in the middle of no where’

Clearly your passionate about the airport which is good to see. I imagine Newcastle would sustain a US route if it had US pre clearance element to it and of course, Ireland and the US have long and rich cultural links which Newcastle could never replicate.

Limerick and Galway have a combined population of under 200,000 - Sunderland (no airport) has 150,000 more. Newcastle handles millions more passengers than Shannon

But alas, as a hereditary Irish passport holder - I really don't get the defensive nature on this forum sometimes. Your local airport offers what you need and does a job, mine does the same. We all want more and better!

Asturias56 3rd Aug 2023 08:46

"Newcastle would sustain a US route if it had US pre clearance element to it"

you'd be paying the US to station several Immigration officers at NCL for one or two flights a day - get real................

SWBKCB 3rd Aug 2023 09:32


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11478529)
"Newcastle would sustain a US route if it had US pre clearance element to it"

you'd be paying the US to station several Immigration officers at NCL for one or two flights a day - get real................

Like Shannon you mean? Just a comparison, not a serious suggestion.

AVGEEK7812 3rd Aug 2023 09:50


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11478558)
Like Shannon you mean? Just a comparison, not a serious suggestion.

Shannon has numerous jets stopover daily and they use CBP as well.

Asturias56 3rd Aug 2023 16:21

And its in Ireland - US rules are different for the Irish


N707ZS 4th Aug 2023 11:22


Originally Posted by AVGEEK7812 (Post 11478571)
Shannon has numerous jets stopover daily and they use CBP as well.

Aren't quite a number of these bizz movements.

AVGEEK7812 4th Aug 2023 13:31


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 11479230)
Aren't quite a number of these bizz movements.

Yes but some also stop to use the CBP. It was extended in Shannon to allow this

Jamesair1 6th Aug 2023 17:04

Air France winter 23/24 to Paris CDG appears to operate...M/Tu/W/F 2x daily Th/Sa/Su 3 x daily.....17 weekly....numerous connections via AMS shown

Wallsendmag 6th Aug 2023 21:38


Originally Posted by Jamesair1 (Post 11480323)
Air France winter 23/24 to Paris CDG appears to operate...M/Tu/W/F 2x daily Th/Sa/Su 3 x daily.....17 weekly....numerous connections via AMS shown

Is the connection by plane or train?

ash666 6th Aug 2023 21:50

Plane.
Remember AF and KLM are joined now so you can mix and match, eg I will soon fly out east with AF out and KLM back. Very handy.

fl dutchman 6th Aug 2023 22:58


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11480420)
Is the connection by plane or train?

I think what is meant is that there are 17 non stop flights per week from NCL-CDG. In addition there are several other flights to CDG from NCL connecting at AMS with KLM.( plane)

Jamesair1 7th Aug 2023 07:25

Exactly...all via AMS ...KLM ....17 weekly is a cut from the 3 daily we have been used to on the route.

Asturias56 7th Aug 2023 09:22

IIRC KLM are under pressure to cut flight totals at AMS

Asturias56 7th Aug 2023 09:27


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11480420)
Is the connection by plane or train?

Much the same time end to end - years ago I took the early morning flight out of Paris to AMS - packed with business folk.

They announced that as part of the AF current promotion there was prize for a passenger - 2 envelopes waved in the air - one handed to the guy in 1C to announce the prize. It was 2 Concorde returns to NY - which certainly woke everyone up - I've never seen an inflight announcement awaited by 100% of the passengers before. The lady in 1 D opened the winning seat number - some guy in 38G went ape.....................

certainly made the time pass quickly

SWBKCB 7th Aug 2023 10:05


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11480585)
IIRC KLM are under pressure to cut flight totals at AMS

KLM are going back to five a day this Winter, so probably neutral overall

https://www.newcastleairport.com/new...rdam-schiphol/

Jamesair1 8th Aug 2023 07:38

Loganair Winter schedule seems to be:
Aberdeen.....10 wkly. Exeter....3 weekly. Southampton.....18 wkly. Stavanger..... 4 wkly,

Diff Tail Shim 8th Aug 2023 16:05


Originally Posted by Jamesair1 (Post 11481063)
Loganair Winter schedule seems to be:
Aberdeen.....10 wkly. Exeter....3 weekly. Southampton.....18 wkly. Stavanger..... 4 wkly,

Similar to last winter with the additions of ABZ? NQY is not profitable between Nov and Mar. Nor Bergen. Fact of life. Of course Footie and other Charter work from NCL is possible.

Jamesair1 8th Aug 2023 16:59

Plus SOU operating 3 x daily....up from 2 daily last winter, so will be a good overall increase in NCL ops

highwideandugly 8th Aug 2023 20:10

Yet more delays continue as aircraft hold due ATC ? Breaks..I can’t remember in past years this ever happening..is there a specific reason this year..new rules etc? Can’t believe the companies too happy though?

And yes..I know the closures are published!

Diff Tail Shim 8th Aug 2023 22:47


Originally Posted by highwideandugly (Post 11481435)
Yet more delays continue as aircraft hold due ATC ? Breaks..I can’t remember in past years this ever happening..is there a specific reason this year..new rules etc? Can’t believe the companies too happy though?

And yes..I know the closures are published!

External issue. Try some idiot flying something in controlled airspace illegally

Diff Tail Shim 9th Aug 2023 00:10


Originally Posted by Jamesair1 (Post 11481358)
Plus SOU operating 3 x daily....up from 2 daily last winter, so will be a good overall increase in NCL ops

Not an NCL based aircraft. Maybe in the winter. You know more than I.

fl dutchman 9th Aug 2023 10:38

Loganair. Still 2 Based aircraft for winter. The third SOU rotation (mid afternoon) however is a SOU aircraft on a W pattern.

Jamesair1 9th Aug 2023 15:30

It provides a SOU - NCL - ABZ one stop service

Diff Tail Shim 9th Aug 2023 19:31


Originally Posted by Jamesair1 (Post 11481921)
It provides a SOU - NCL - ABZ one stop service

If everything works to plan perhaps.

NorthEasterner 14th Aug 2023 09:10

It's a shame that EXT never returned to daily since the Flybe 1.0 days. Presumably the market has changed post COVID.

Jamesair1 14th Aug 2023 12:58

The route carried 1,382 pax in April and 1,458 in May.... if it continues to increase numbers, you never know.

GBYAJ 20th Aug 2023 16:44

Ryanair - hi, does anyone know if all routes from
NCL are now on sale for summer 2024? Looking for Milan Bergamo but only bookable until end Of March.


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