Demonstrably accurate .

Self checkin ( via apps) few suitcases of Any significance - Standard food cart a few Pringles and sandwiches ( LOADED a once a day !)

Inclusive tour airports - thousands of family suitcases and people with white bags full of liquids ( many annual travellers or even less frequent frankly not understanding the 100mil NONE opened rules)

Catering on a significantly larger scale , meals either booked or included and dietary requirements to contend with.

Mobility issues by their very nature at airports handling a multitude more passengers will be more frequent and a larger number

I have a family friend in a wheelchair that travels through Manchester several times a year and THIS is not a pleasant experience sure enough however prepare and notify in advance and departing is usually adequate. Disembarkation is another story afraid to say

Just think about that real logistics for once this isn’t a dig at Liverpool in particular just an observation ( rather wider eyes than Liverpool the friendly what ever marketing cr*p)

Ive said here and in another place the profile ( not just raw volumes) at Liverpool and to lesser extent Luton differ markedly and a simple view point over raw door to food hall time isn’t remotely comparable or indeed relevant to be honest, with my analytical hat on.

I know you post under a differing name on the construction site a site lacking critical thinking among the five or so contributors For the most part, however here is a generally little more mature

That's a dated analysis. Aside from TUI and Jet2, IT isn't a fraction of what it once was relative to wider short haul leisure. Indeed MAN has rather large fleets of both Ryanair and easyJet so not sure there's a fair comparison here. As for "Stanstead" being a prime IT airport? It's Ryanair Central, with a smattering of Jet2 and a tiny side portion of TUI.

That isn’t right Skip, as I said where are those key IT bases and where are the issues ? Even in which particular terminals ?

Use you analytics here i think you of all people here can do better than that, some lateral thinking , yet I see you haven’t actually disagreed so much as state dated analysis methodology.

I would widen the scope to include longer haul ( T2) and what is the breakdown there, oh yes a million unprocessed cases !

Again look at Liverpool what does it NOT have nor handle in any significant volume ?

Is it not the core of the flexible fares ( LCC) model, to discourage hold baggage, strip out catering costs via limited offerings of snacks via aggressive pricing strategies and thereby reduce costs?

And if so why are those costs made up of - primarily ground based organic blobs -the ones that SWISSPORT, and DNATA fired !

You can believe all that if you like, Liverpool is very busy with families with kids and luggage right and im sure
Luton is too . Tell your friends with wheelchairs to use Liverpool for a pleasant travel experience. :p Are you banned from from construction site now, for the trolling :=

This familiar agenda which sees a small number of immature Scouse spotters repeatedly troll this thread with "fly from Liverpool" advice is transparent and childish. Give it up. We don't troll the Liverpool thread with nonsense like this.

With regards to shortage of staff at Manchester I have just done a site induction in Manchester,and the lady who did this has a partner who used to drive catering trucks airside at Manchester. They were furloughed for 6 months, then made redundant during Covid. He has found other work, but has been asked to return, and the money is good, but now on Zero hours contract which is the huge change to previous. May explain why they are short staffed as that is now not a regular job.

Cheers
Mr Mac

Ha, if only that was true

TUI trying to claim back £75m mainly from MAN

Tui blamed UK airports, particularly Manchester, for plunging it into the red in April, May and June.

Tui Group chief executive Sebastian Ebel said: “Yes, we are going for compensation. It can be small, it can be big, it is something we will fight very much for.

“It is very much on our agenda to get something in the next coming months and it should be significant.”

Tui estimates the total cost of airport disruption at €75 million.

Ebel said UK infrastructure “came more under pressure than in other areas”, but said that after Manchester, Amsterdam had proved the most problematic for Tui.

“The UK labour shortage was probably more than what we have seen at other airports,” he said.

“In the last couple of days it has normalised, but the whole system is very fragile. There will be significant costs associated with it.”

Tui said 96% of its passengers departed on time or with delays of less than three hours in May and June, with 200 cancellations in this period blamed mainly on Manchester airport.

What about Swissport? They handle TUI who also have had major staff shortages!
What are TUI doing about airports in the other countries they operate from…the UK isn’t the only European country to suffer from the type of issues that have caused these delays and cancellations…!

The quotes from Ebel don't specifically state that they are (only) going after the airport operators for compensation. Multiple airport operator and non-airport operator reasons have probably contributed towards the disruption and losses across the summer (the latter including handlers, air traffic, caterers etc). And that excludes any impact that the airline's own operations may have suffered problems through staffing, aircraft availability etc.

No I am not banned simply given up dealing with 5 juveniles

Liverpool handleds less 7000 passengers per DAY that’s not stressful or busy indeed the terminal never has more than around 800 passing through at one time, whilst Manchester over 80,000 per day consider that of which more than 20,000 will have cases travelling long haul and on the Inclusive tour operators.
Now are the handler still short staff of course they are however Liverpool we planned better is utter nonsense
My family friend is that of my wife she is a french citizen lives in York can she fly to Nantes or Bordeaux and oh and she actually likes the shopping experience for whatever reason

12,000 actually.

Are so they let you back in then. now who's the juvenile.

they actually did plan better, but suites your agenda to not accept that.

Both sides, give it a rest... :ugh:

thats arrival and departure !

I don’t need to give anything a rest the scouser is the problem here and elsewhere
He she can’t take criticism or debate factually
Total cheerleader for Peel

provide me and others detailed evidence timeframes coordination and strategic planning done and delivered
that somehow the entire industry elsewhere missed

I mean, MAG were still trying to recruit someone to head up their planning operation in Feb ‘22, certainly for security staffing levels; I remember reading the job spec! So there was likely a vacuum of leadership in a key area at a key time that won’t have helped generally. I’ve heard a few independent accounts through professional relationships of a particularly toxic work environment, that’s not helped retain staff in these sorts of teams either. Coupled with all the other factors, it won’t have helped, however there’s clearly many different macro effects adding into this perfect storm.