It all depends on handling, fuel, transfer of pax if needed, hotels etc crewing( no good to be stuck with no pilots or cabin crew for 12 hours)

Not how it works in the main. Diversions are organised by the carriers own operations.

Almost all carriers aim for another operating station in the very first instance.

And indeed as happened today some carriers will simply go back home, cue British Airways , KLM, SAS and Lufthansa .

Diverting off of station is a major hassle especially if crews time out and/or your company has no handling or fuel contracts in place.

Outcomes the company emergency credit card if onboard( subject to available credit limits) or it’s on the phone for hours with the accounts team and having to get the supplier to email across a proforma invoice for immediate bank transfer to be made (provided someone senior enough is in the office the authorise payment !)

Then you got to either find ground transfer coaches or hotel accommodation as well.

Finding coaches these days can be another hassle ( there are many fewer companies today than twenty years ago) and further delay and again their pesky proforma will also need immediate payment before coaches and drivers are suitably dispatched

A lot of diversions were handled by Manchester over week end seemingly without problems Do we have a list ?

Tui flight to Cuba
 

Just been informed by TUI that our flight to Varadero from MAN for 20th March 2023 has been cancelled. Does anyone know why and if TUI have pulled that route for 2023. Really dissapointed! 😔

I would think that demand to Cuba has dropped off a cliff now that anyone entering is no longer eligible for the US Visa Wavier Programme.

Are you sure? They are still selling it now?

It’s not surprising, after the US when Donald Trump left office labelling Cuba as a state sponsor of terrorism. Technically, if you have been to Cuba in the last 10 years, you’ll need a full US visa instead of the ESTA visa waiver - in which case, why would you want to go to Cuba, when Mexico or Dom Rep doesn’t have similar downsides.

Question for the locals, when did Etihad move out of T1?

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I understand the situation but it's frustrating all the same. Cuba is a fascinating destination and it's a shame for the local economy and people, as well as British travellers if this destination is now effectively out of bounds due to the whim of the ex-US President. I guess that was the intention.

I haven't tried another dummy booking yet but usually TUI would just change our dates or times if the destination was still being served. Tui also state in their Email that the decision was as a result of a review of their flying programme for next year.

Tue 20th July 2021 along with QR and Brussels Int moving to T2

The three-times weekly Kuwait flight is operated more than rarely by an A330 instead of the scheduled A320. Is that a sign that the route is doing well and could grow to more than 3* weekly?

The route has been upgraded to a mix of A330-200/800’s until the remainder of the winter schedule with the exception of Jan1st which is an A320neo. Most of the A330 flights are showing as the 200 variant which has First class, so I’m guessing the sales are going well.

Thank you!

TOM154 / TOM155 Saturday 17th December
 

Hi all

Can anyone please advise the AC Due to operate this flight MAN - CUN tomorrow?

A friend has just received an email from TUI to say the aircraft has changed and has been advised there is now no premium on board?

Thanks
Steven

It MAY be the air tanker 330

or could also be Wamos - they often do subs for TUI.

If Emirates US/Manchester existed ?

Would Manchester have a problem with transatlantic services if EK stepped in ?

Are you sure that your original date hasnt been moved to 20th?

TUI have altered the flying programme to a Monday now. The original flights were a Thursday.

Dunno, but they've got a problem at the moment. 😁
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b2a28b034c.jpg

New freight sheds
 

With Freight 40% down versus EMA and STN does anyone know why MAN are investing in new freight sheds for what is essentially a trucking operation.

Would it not make more sense to build warehousing at say Warrington where rates are much cheaper and use the land to reconfigure the Wythenshawe Freight Village Truck Stop.

The area is a enterprise zone with same sort of tax deal

I understand much of the land over there is no longer owned by MAG

Can anyone pinpoint where these proposed new freight warehouses are going to be relative to the road network, or are they replacing some of the existing facilities?
Out of interest, could the land that was disposed of by MAG in theory have been used for additional aircraft parking and apron or was it beyond that area?

I think this article refers, Manfod:

https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/thr...airport-sheds/

Thanks for the link eye2eye5. An interesting read. I notice that was 14 months ago so I wonder how the project has progressed.

Well, the Dnata building is already up and the area for the other two buildings has only just been flattened, rubble still being shifted.

Gosh, following a complaint on another forum about the airports own Book a flight page i tried the option myself.
have to agree its shocking.

Manchester Airport Destinations A-Z | Manchester Airport

The list of destinations is in a completely random order.

If the new MD is reading this, he could do worse than embed the technology from the LGW page.

Booking a destination is nigh impossible, and the navigation is not fit for purpose.

​​​​​​​If you mean Mr. Woodroofe, then isn't he MD of the airport and not CEO?

Yes, Charlie Cornish is group CEO.

I am guessing TUI have axed the Thursday flight, cancelling the 10 day holiday rather than giving us the option of extending our holiday to 14 days. We've now rebooked a holiday to CUN but it would have been nice to have been aware that we could 'rebook' to extend our holiday. It's this lack of information that is especially frustrating for travellers.

Pakistan
 

Am I right in thinking that we currently have no direct services from Manchester to Pakistan? I haven't seen any Jordan Aviation flights lately, Virgin I assume have ceased, and PIA yet to return to Europe. All traffic must then be going via the MEB3 or Turkish.

Pakistan
 

Same from BHX - last Jordan Aviation flights were October I think. It seems PIA are funneling pax via IST with TK. Not sure what their status is regarding European flights, I thought PIA were banned from EU and UK?

PIA - Pakistan International Airlines (PK, Islamabad Quaid-e-Azam Int'l) has tendered for a new operator for its flights to the European Union and the United Kingdom from December 2022 until May 2023. It currently charters an A330-200 from Jordan Aviation (R5, Amman Queen Alia).
The airline seeks an EASA-certified carrier authorised to serve both the EU and the UK with an aircraft seating at least 250 passengers. While PIA did not specify the aircraft type, the unit has to be of 2004 vintage or younger. It also must not be due for major maintenance checks during the expected duration of the charter contract, unless the operator can provide an equivalent backup aircraft.

The specifications clarify that the bidders must have operated at least five passenger charter flights in the last two years, must have IOSA certification, and must have a fleet of at least five passenger aircraft, including at least two 250 or more seat widebody jets. While the airline would consider single-class aircraft, units equipped with lie-flat or full-flat business-class seats will be assessed higher.

PIA plans to deploy the aircraft on services from Islamabad Quaid-e-Azam Int'l to Manchester Int'l, Paris CDG, and London Heathrow, and from Lahore Int'l to Manchester.

The Pakistani carrier remains banned from operating to the EU and the UK due to a scandal over fake pilot licences dating back to 2020. As a result, it is unable to use its growing widebody fleet on the routes to Europe.

Suffice to say no one has replied to the RFI based the specifications and so services are now suspended.

Contenders would be a choice of Hi Fly or Maleth Aero, however Euroaltantic fleet wouldn’t meet the specifications as printed or resign with Jordan !

Report from CH Aviation

They have however signed a codeshare arrangement with Etihad and another with THY ( in exchange for baby sitting their LHR slots)

I suspect Virgin ( may) has made a mistake suspending their service !!

Usual total mess from PIA management one assumes .

Sounds perfect for FlyPop or whatever they were called. Are they still in the land of the living?

Flypop doesn’t meet the criteria at all. Minimum 5 jets with 2 widebodies…

Doesn't have UK AOC or operators license yet either as far as I am aware, and of course couldn't operate in the UK and EU.

Given the pr hype about the new terminal having the capacity to handle 45m pax prebuild, is there ever likely to be a scenario where that is achieved ?

It would have to achieve growth in the order of 50% ?

Currently every stand is full overnight, those units all leave from 6am and comeback during the day perhaps operating in/out 2 or 3 times. That currently gives us circa 27m throughput per annum, but if you cannot bring more aircraft in with more stand space , which you cant, then you are somewhat knackered, its been completely boxed in.

You would be relying on a massive tranche of feed equivalent to 50 based aircraft from an operator such as say WIZZ with a leg up from maybe away based units from the likes of RYR or EZY. But is the airport not light years away from getting anywhere above even 30m if you can fit more aircraft in ? I appreciate you could try and get higher load factors, increase Winter flights, increase night flights but that is all out of the airports hands and in any case somewhat cosmetic.

I cannot see where the massive push will come from to add the missing 15m passengers ?

PS Does anybody know if the airport PR on twitter , facebook etc is outsourced to an off airport agency, if you DM them they never seem to have any technical answers.

[QUOTE=AlwaysWatching1;11365037]Given the pr hype about the new terminal having the capacity to handle 45m pax prebuild, is there ever likely to be a scenario where that is achieved ?

“Currently every stand is full overnight, “

Really ?