Ireland West Airport Knock
Hasn't been much news 2018 so starting a new thread with a few recent updates:
Link to previous IWAK thread here: https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...=Knock+Airport |
Is IWAK going to get a base with Ryanair first flight for June1st 2019 is direct from IWAK at 0705 am?
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Phase 1 of €15m "transformation programme" completed
Lot of infrastructure investment happening this year to enhance passenger experience, cope with growing numbers and upgrade old equipment. Terminal upgrades
New "state of the art" Wild Atlantic Way tourism center is almost complete in arrivals Infrastructure
Dep of Transport funding €8.4m (75%) to complete first overhaul of airports 30 year old runway in 2019.
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Fairly quiet on route front for Knock this year. New FR Girona and TUI Majorca services operated over Summer 2018 and FR added capacity on Milan.
Increased Winter Services FR adding 7000 UK seats:
EI LGW no change Sunway operating Lapland charter ------ Cologne FR announced first German route from Knock with a 2x weekly service to Cologne for Summer 19 starting June. Huge catchment population, could do well if promoted well. Launch media focusing on inbound potential and Wild Atlantic Way. CGN – T – – – S – New Ryanair service connects Cologne to Wild Atlantic Way as German visitor numbers boom |
Great news about the Cologne route . Leeds Bradford needs to be the next new route from knock operated by Flybe . Manchester has seen fantastic numbers this year .im sure a 3 per week service to Leeds would be well supported |
airnoc,
which route is this 0705 departure on? Having a based airline sounds insane from the perspective of opening hours and costs. |
I have checked all Ryanair departures for Saturday 1st June and can’t find any flights that are scheduled to depart before 9am ? Where have you got the information regarding the earlier flight ? |
Are there any family/economic links between the North-West and Yorkshire that make Leeds-Bradford likely to succeed?
Aside from it's previous time at Knock, it's been tried by Ryanair from Shannon, and Aer Lingus Regional and BMI Regional from Cork and none of those have been successful, so it doesn't have a great record as a route from Irish airports outside Dublin. |
sawtooth
You've mixed up a bit here, Stansted is only 10x weekly. 20x weekly would entail triple daily return flights on all bar one day. |
I notice a season extension for Girona which has gone from peak season operation to a april to October service which will be good boost for passenger numbers - all in all with the new service etc should see NOC get close to the 800,000 passenger milestone |
TUI seem to have dropped Palma for Summer 19
Only showing Costa Dorada on the website for next summer, surprising! |
Not really surprising the hot summer this year killed it poor enough loads and were selling it very cheap towards the end - surprised it didn’t work though as should have |
Fly be summer flights released today bhx not bookable after mid June and Edinburgh only via man in July but direct in August would be a shame if knock loses these routes
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Seems a very strange schedule to take a service out in July when it’s one of the few months they make money - I notice EDI is back in for September ! Very strange that they would operate BHX up until June and then pull it - why not pull it before summer season starts ? I’d say things definitely not finalized and lot of chopping and Changing going on |
Flybe flights for next summer are all on sale now bhx 6 weekly Edi 6 weekly Man daily |
Good to see as was worried about that one - if all stays as is Knock should be very close to 800,000 next year which will be another milestone |
Winter sun route
Ryanair adding TFS for winter 19. Good to see another winter route, along with more seats on BRS and longer season for GRO/BGY. FlyBe —> Virgin Interesting to see how the reported Flybe rebrand to Virgin plays out. Virgin brand more established in Ireland now with Virgin Media, but it took NOC several years to rebuild the 3 routes after BMI demise. It does open up possability of interline booking 6 USA destinations from MAN if times better matched those connections. |
Great to see the Tenerife route extension for winter and the 2weekly cologne summer service . Certainly stacking up to be a good year for knock . Fingers crossed that virgin keep the existing knock routes .Slow and steady growth is always best . |
Knock seems to be having a good year but some possible headwinds on the way if the Ryanair base closures in Spain go ahead. Knock's position without any based aircraft leaves it vulnerable to issues affecting the base airports that serve it.
Three of the four affected Spanish airports - Tenerife South, Lanzarote and Girona are destinations served from Knock. It would be quite a dent in the bucket and spade offering from the airport if all three were lost. The fourth airport, Las Palmas, is also an former Knock destination and one that they may have looked to get back if the sun routes were doing particularly well. I suppose W routings from UK airports could work as an alternative but I'm not sure if Ryanair tend to use that option too often. |
It will not be possible to service Canary routes via W patterns due to EASA FTL limitations.
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Indeed, Canary Islands are too far to be served on W patterns as would only be able to be served by a single crew with no changes (a UK/Ireland to Canaries return is about getting to limits as it is).
The only other ways this possibly could work is night stopping aircraft/crew. ie a STN based crew could do STN-NOC-TFS (overnight in TFS) then do TFS-NOC-STN. Alternatively, a DUB crew could operate DUB-TFS-NOC (then transfer back to DUB) whilst a second crew from DUB would travel to NOC and operate NOC-TFS-DUB. EasyJet do the former a fair bit with LGW crew and the likes of Jet2/TUI will do the latter in some cases. But for Ryanair, both cases would be unlikely I'd have thought. |
Unlikely Ryanair would taxi crews from Dublin to Knock and v.v. Equally, nightstops without a base would not be in keeping with Ryanair's cost base. The airport enjoyed limited opening hours, a night stoppping aircraft would mean a 06xx departure time, driving costs at the airport for extended opening hours....
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Would Ryanair consider a base at knock ? 1 aircraft in winter 2 in summer ?? All knock uk routes have been in place for a long time and achieve decent loads so I’m sure they would have been dropped by now if yield wasn’t performing . My point is that these routes could be run by knock based aircraft without it being a risk to Ryanair with a possible few additional sun routes over the summer . |
In a period where they are closing and down sizing bases if say it’s the wrong time to be hoping for a base |
Lanzarote base closure now also confirmed - certainly not good for NOC.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...xt-year-union/ |
Why? They need to keep their planes busy and they can either do that by growing the remaining bases or adding new ones. I'd say adding new ones is the prefered option if that means pocketing "marketing support", steahlty subsidies etc. One could argue that this is the at the core of Ryanair's business model and results in Ryanair moving across Europe like locusts. Whether or not Knock is the most likely choice for such a move is, of course, another question.
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Part of the issue is lack of maxs, I think FR were meant to have either 30 odd or 50 odd by next Summer. On the basis you are now short of aircraft as planned, you are going to focus your remaining assets on the higher-yielding routes and bases. I'd say it's very unlikely that you would move your limited assets to an unknown yielding "base". I appreciate these routes already exist in part, but not on the same schedule you would run if aircraft were based in NOC. Remember it actually looks like there will be a reduction of aircraft in Ireland next year, certainly not an increase.
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Recently I have read that it was considered alongside with Brighton airport as a place where to test a potential electric plane by a Norwegian company
It would be nice to know if they also would consider it as a manufacturing location... |
NOC-ACE/TFS dropped as of 2 Jan 2020.
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Apparently a new route will be announced from Knock by Lauda this week. Their bases are Dusseldorf, Stuttgart and Vienna, so presumably a service to one of those airports.
Would be good to see a new airline, albeit it's a Ryanair subsidiary. |
That’s great news 👍 just a pity about ace and Tfs I’m thinking they will get TUI or sunway to operate a charter series on these 2 routes over the summer months if they can’t get a scheduled operator . |
Probably the best bet. I wonder if TUI have any fleet capacity with the MAX grounding, though.
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Kinocker
Also 2 aircraft at Palma Mallorca. *Palma loaded in booking system now. |
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I see cologne is loaded for June to sept next summer . I have a funny feeling that something will be worked out between ryanair and the Canary Islands airports as with the loss of Thomas cook now surely they won’t let ryanair go. They will be desperate for passengers .🤞
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"Operated by Air Malta", another Ryanair subsidiary, along with with Lauda there will be a bit more colour at NOC next summer.
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Malta Air, not Air Malta. Not being a smart arse, two separate entities.
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Will Malta Air have a base in Cologne or will this be a W routing originating from Malta?
Probably a long shot but I wonder if this might lead at some stage to flights from Malta to Knock. I'm guessing not all Malta Air aircraft will be based on the island though. |
Knock has done well of late with its slow and steady growth over the last few years . However I feel there is definitely potential in the uk left . I feel a 3 weekly to Leeds would be viable but hopefully not at the expense of manchester . Maybe loganair with their new Atrs or flybe . Glasgow like wise but would this effect the successful edinburgh service ? a daily heathrow maybe an option when the new runway is built and with the new flybe virgin brand comes into being as they want to introduce more connectivity through Heathrow and Manchester . Ryanair does extremely well on ltn and stn from Knock surely a 4 weekly to London Southend would be a runner . The bucket and spade routes will always do well however mainland Europe definitely has high season potential . Looking back to when knock had the Eindhoven route loads were good over June July and August months and it certainly does take more than one summer season to build a route . Just a few thoughts on where knock could possibly hit the 1million passenger mark in my opinion . |
Leeds-Bradford - My first reaction was that this never worked from Cork or Shannon with their larger catchment, but am I right in thinking there is a history of substantial emigration from the North-West to Yorkshire? Possibly strong family ties may produce a boost.
Heathrow - Almost every Irish airport, including Kerry, or even an effectively closed airport like Waterford, could support a connection to Heathrow. The problem is at the other end. If/when a new runway is built, there is likely to be serious competition for access. Southend - Might work, but I would have thought increased frequency on one of the other London routes would be a better bet for a capacity increase. Sun Routes - There does seem to be a bit of scope for growth here, both in terms of capacity on existing routes and some potential new ones. Fuerteventura, Dubrovnik, Verona, Nice and Lisbon could be possibilities for new routes, although too many launching could cannibalise each other. An important figure here is when people from Galway have a choice between Knock, Shannon and Dublin for existing routes, how many opt for Knock. Inbound tourism - The place to look for inspiration here is Kerry Airport, which has pitched their tourist offering to Germans to such an extent that they overfly Dublin, Cork and Shannon into Kerry. Kerry can't even support UK routes outside London, but makes these routes to Germany work. The route to Cologne/Bonn is a start in that regard, but there's a lot more potential than that. One other one to add to the mix is Polish routes. Cork and Shannon both support in the region of 75K-80K passengers per year to Poland and that before the route from Cork to Katowice launches. You'd have to think that Knock could support some kind of frequency to Poland. |
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