Originally Posted by Prophead
(Post 10143835)
Where in the North of England would you find, or be able to build a port and a large runway in close proximity? .
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I'm not suggesting EVERYONE moves away from the M20 Freight channel and straight into Manston, that would economic suicide all round.
Have you any idea how much it costs to put a 13.6m artic on Eurotunnel versus the cost of flying 23 tonnes? Maybe 1 or 2 operators could have made use of it initially. Wasn't expecting this level of backlash to be honest, |
I wonder if we will hear from the good Doctor again, now that River Oak appear to have pulled the rug from under his feet?
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Teesside? Humberside? Outside of England, Prestwick. As for Prestwick, that's too far away to be viable under the same plan. Again, it was merely me musing about what a waste of ready made infrastructure it is in a prime position for Euro access. I have no specific idea of it's use and maybe there isn't one. It just seems such a shame to let it go when we struggle so much to build anything similar. In a post Brexit world I can't help but think it is an asset we should try to preserve. |
Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10143875)
I'm not suggesting EVERYONE moves away from the M20 Freight channel and straight into Manston, that would economic suicide all round.
Again, not disputing this, but focusing more on the 'time save' and company-specific hub you could install Maybe 1 or 2 operators could have made use of it initially. Wasn't expecting this level of backlash to be honest, The really time sensitive stuff that get delayed tends to be flown anyway, hence the AN12 and AN26 charters that are frequent visitors to BHX, along with Metroliners and SF340 equipment. However, if the UK doesn't stay in the customs union, and doesn't get another frictionless electronic or other fancy system in place, even cargo being flown in to airports closer to where the cargo is required are potentially subject to delays. Presently an aircraft arrives, the cargo taken straight off, transferred to a van and rushed to the line stop. With HMRC getting in way that quick transit just won't be guaranteed. It's all (if you'll pardon the pun) "up in the air" at the moment, and the clock is ticking, as we are constantly being told. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10143920)
Sorry, it was my rather poor attempt as humour - they say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but with your handle I couldn't resist it.:O
The really time sensitive stuff that get delayed tends to be flown anyway, hence the AN12 and AN26 charters that are frequent visitors to BHX, along with Metroliners and SF340 equipment. However, if the UK doesn't stay in the customs union, and doesn't get another frictionless electronic or other fancy system in place, even cargo being flown in to airports closer to where the cargo is required are potentially subject to delays. Presently an aircraft arrives, the cargo taken straight off, transferred to a van and rushed to the line stop. With HMRC getting in way that quick transit just won't be guaranteed. It's all (if you'll pardon the pun) "up in the air" at the moment, and the clock is ticking, as we are constantly being told. |
Points taken, and thanks for the complement ATNotts :)
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Originally Posted by ScotsSLF
(Post 10143769)
18265 people were claiming unemployment benefits in Kent.This has increased since last month. Thanet has the highest unemployment rate at 4.6%. Sevenoaks has the lowest unemployment rate at 0.8%. The 18‐24 year old unemployment rate in Kent is 3%.18 Oct 2017 |
Originally Posted by Prophead
(Post 10143835)
Where in the North of England would you find, or be able to build a port and a large runway in close proximity? Not to mention access to a motorway, high speed rail and the tunnel. And why would you when you have Manston/Ramsgate available? To build this kind of facility would cost a fortune and take years just to get through planning.
If there are jobs then people will move, jobs are always welcome. I was however merely referring to the infrastructure available and the fact it must be useful to someone. Seems a shame to have both a large runway and a nearby port going to no use in an area that would welcome any growth and actually wants the aircraft to return. People will move for High tech, High Paying jobs but no company is going to build in invest where there is in effect full employment, low skills level, high housing costs becasue there is a disused airport beside it. As for being beside Tunnel well seems like the Rail Freight depots around Rugby don't have an issue with it because stuff comes direct on a train to there. As there is the retail distribution triangle where everyong has major RDCs then when locate where you can't get the staff in a high cost area where housing is expensive. Reason why RDCs are in Rugby area rather than Manston is get to all the UK from Rugby area quickly and back, in Manston its an additional day. Sadly Manston doesn't offer anything than is not offered elsewhere. |
So how much does the runway need to be extended to permit the big freighters to come and go? Is there still the real estate available to extend? |
Originally Posted by EESDL
(Post 10186884)
So how much does the runway need to be extended to permit the big freighters to come and go? Is there still the real estate available to extend? Remember seeing a Virgin 747 doing training circuits at Manston.. maybe it will reopen.. it must be the closest runway to Europe. ”Planet Thanet” was a bit run down in the 1980’s but seems to have recovered. |
The last time I looked at a map the UK was in Europe, I suppose you mean continental Europe.
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Even if a big bag of cash was found and the road/rail links improved, there looks little room to slide the runway Westward on extension to increase overflight heights of Ramsgate residents.
Either locals are 'for' it or 'against' it so little point Thanet CC and locals having an appetite to keep it an airport (or do they mean a large area of nothingness?) if night flights not acceptable. I know a company that are looking for such a facility in SE UK but couldn't be expected to make it work with such a restriction. |
Yup.. I think Manston is doomed unfortunately.. its a shame as it has so much history I have been in Ramsgate when old DC-8’s and 707’s have thundered low overhead.. dont think the locals will be in favour of it being reactivated.. Gatwick is not too far away for most of Kent.. and the transport connections to Manston are not very good .. shame ;( |
Wonderful!!! Just when I needed cheering up this thread is back!!!!
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 10188517)
Wonderful!!! Just when I needed cheering up this thread is back!!!!
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Originally Posted by 01475
(Post 10188653)
Manston however isn't. And won't be.
It's dead but it won't lie down!! |
Originally Posted by EESDL
(Post 10186884)
So how much does the runway need to be extended to permit the big freighters to come and go? Is there still the real estate available to extend? We had done a deal with KLM on the back Pfizer at the time and got an agreement with Sean Coyle from Ryanair to launch routes..... but then the McGoldricks rocked up with the grand plan for the old Debis F100's on a lease by hour proposal and that was it - Oliver Iny was skipping around the city promoting Gatwick mk 2 - at that board meeting in Mayfair to approve of the plan for EUjet - one of us got up mid-pitch and walked out resigning on the spot - making a statement that it was financial suicide and impossible to achieve or deliver as per the expectations of the proposed plan... the rest, as they say, is history!! Manston could have been:
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Oh well .. there is always Lydd just down the road.. and over a few hedges, roundabouts, etc.. |
Speaking of which, when will the runway extension at Lydd go ahead?
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