Operated by citijet on a crj900 good news for NQY and certainly unexpected cs |
Amsterdam? Please :)
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Certainly an unexpected route This one has a very short season of only around 2 months, so looks speculative (or aligned to a Danish tour operator who may have bought a lot of the seats?). Wondering if all of this years Ryanair and Eurowings destinations are returning next year? (I know ALC is operating through the winter, so assume that is) Looks like Flybe's are, with the exception of STN. |
Eurowings is operating weekly to Dusseldorf from 13th April
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SAS are a bit hit and miss. As much as its a nice new route, Im sceptical about its long term viability but more a reflection of SAS than NQY. Better airlines would have a higher chance of success., |
Eurowings is operating weekly to Dusseldorf from 13th April |
Stuttgart is avaliable once a week, Berlin showing as connections
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According to CAA stats numbers were pretty poor on the Berlin route, only an average of about 25 per flight so it’s no surprise it’s not coming back. Clearly more popular from western Germany. |
Flybe will operate NQY-SEN next year. From April 2019 5 times weekly, increasing to daily from 1st May.
I assume it will be operated by Stobart but NQY Twitter doesn't say. |
The most unsurprising new route announcement in recent times considering STN was suspended. Think it was suggested as a replacement or return on here cs |
I assume it will be operated by Stobart but NQY Twitter doesn't say. https://www.cornwallairportnewquay.c...-links-in-2019 |
Nice. I had had assumed that it would be operated by BE mainline if NQY does become a Flybe base. However this should put an end to the speculation about the Flybe/STK franchise future. I wonder if BE/STK/BE could look at adding LCY from newquay as that is now surely a glaring gap in the schedule. cs |
Copenhagen. SAS have extended the operating season. Now starts 21st June. Encouraging. |
A glimmer of good news for NQY for 2019 at least !! iv no doubt if the worse case scenario plays out for flybe that some routes will be picked up by other operators fairly quickly, MAN being the main one. I’m also certain London would and that STK would find a way to keep SEN running, however what happens to the recently awarded PSO if flybe go belly up, does it get retendered ? cs |
An interesting announcement locally today NQY-LGW service will transfer to LHR from 2019!!!! cs |
Personally I think that's great news. It opens up so many connections especially to the Star Alliance network from T2.
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Certainly suits me better than LGW. Back to the old days of Westward 18!
Wonder if Flybe will still operate it though assuming they are still around then? |
According to twitter these are the timings:
BE801 NQY 0720-0830 LHR BE803 NQY 1055-1205 LHR BE805 NQY 1430-1540 LHR BE807 NQY 1845-1955 LHR BE802 LHR 0915-1025 NQY BE804 LHR 1245-1355 NQY BE806 LHR 1620-1730 NQY BE808 LHR 2040-2150 NQY |
And it's already listed on the Newquay Airport Wikipedia page, that didn't take long :-) |
Government statement on the announcement: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...l-and-heathrow
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Any news on how this is being funded - is the funding just being moved over from LGW, is it a fixed amount by year, per flight, per pax, etc?
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Is a 40-minute turnround at Heathrow feasible?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
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Any news on how this is being funded - is the funding just being moved over from LGW, is it a fixed amount by year, per flight, per pax, etc?
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
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Is a 40-minute turnround at Heathrow feasible?
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Its funded by the DFT with taxpayer money and somewhat oddly Cornwall council.
Absolutely no objection to a direct Heathrow service but a taxpayer subsidy from the DFT ? Any route should stand or fall on merit, if the Newquay service is so important the demand has to be there. You cannot prop up a service and distort the market with UK wide taxpayer monies whilst then claiming it's a vital air link, if nobody uses it, it's clearly not that vital. And why should Newquay claim a service over say Liverpool OR Durham? Who decides who gets what ? i presume that politically there was no mileage in giving consideration to a Liverpool service which is of course staunch Labour. ....and as for the local council chipping in. Clearly this is a better ways to spend ratepayers money than social care and keeping libraries open. It smacks of a contrived marketing ploy between the DFT and HAL. And where have 8 slots a day suddenly appeared from, is Derren Brown working approach ? |
Any route should stand or fall on merit, if the Newquay service is so important the demand has to be there. You cannot prop up a service and distort the market with UK wide taxpayer monies whilst then claiming it's a vital air link, if nobody uses it, it's clearly not that vital. And why should Newquay claim a service over say Liverpool OR Durham? Who decides who gets what ? |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
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https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/heathrow-newquay-flights-flybe-taxpayers-subsidise-cornwall-airport-a8646691.html
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I was told that no money was spent on the LGW flights as they performed so well. The PSO was not a guaranteed sum of money but an underpin should the route not perform well. It did and so the public purse was not touched.
I have no idea yet if the LHR deal is the same but I'm also curious as to where the slots have come from as there are no remedy slots applicable for this route. |
Apparently the slots are from the Manchester pool which BA was made to give up following the buy out of BMI. That’s according to an article in the Independent. I assume this is where the Government involvement comes in as they would have had to agree to allow these to be used for another route. |
This rumour from early Oct has a little more credence now...
Rumour from within the BE cabin and flight crew community is that BE will open a small crew base at NQY from S19 Virgin Atlantic and Flybe |
I agree about the potential crew base. i could see Manchester going x3 daily ex NQY with BHX making up the flying for a second based Q cs |
The crew base won't happen. I wouldn't be hanging your hats on it.
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I absolutely agree that Cornwall should have proper investment as indeed should Wales, East Anglia, The North East etc etc.
But with many local services on their knees this just smacks of a cheap shot at buying Tory votes in SW marginals. And buying the support of locals re Heathrow. If they realised they could benefit to the tune of say £1bn in direct investment or £1bn 250 miles away what do you think they would choose. It will take an awful lot of punters to generate that kind of indirect investment. If we had some politicians who cared about the country rather than just London we might get somewhere. Did anybody see last week's Apprentice, OMG one of the new CROSSRAIL stations looked like The Eden Project. And that is just one single station. It puts regional transport infastructure to shame. When it's investment in London, Whitehall seem to sign off the finer things in life off with a flourish but for everywhere else it's gruel for supper everyday. |
I’m not convinced that the move to LHR is such good news. Ok, if you want a long haul connection it’s better than LGW, but if you want to get to a mainland europe destination easyJet’s LGW network is huge, and goes to most of the business destinations served by LHR in addition to a vast number of leisure destinations, but will generally be cheaper. As for getting into central London, LGW trains to Blackfriars or Victoria beat the heathrow express on getting you to the city, lawyers or Westminster, both on price and time. Crossrail won’t be much better unless you want to go shopping. |
I actually agree. It’s a shame that LHR couldn’t be run in addition to say a twice daily LGW and a seasonal LCY ? cs |
The DfT announcement does not specify, but I presume the new PSO-supported LHR slots are picked from the pool of ex-bmi remedy slots that, by happy coincidence, Flybe is operating. Win-win for the airline and LGW by removing a one-off "outlier" service.
Originally Posted by nonemmet
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easyJet’s LGW network is huge, and goes to most of the business destinations served by LHR in addition to a vast number of leisure destinations .... . Crossrail won’t be much better unless you want to go shopping.
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Originally Posted by Navpi
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Did anybody see last week's Apprentice, OMG one of the new CROSSRAIL stations looked like The Eden Project. And that is just one single station. It puts regional transport infastructure to shame.
When it's investment in London, Whitehall seem to sign off the finer things in life off with a flourish but for everywhere else it's gruel for supper everyday. Another point to note is that additional rail capacity in London is desperately needed, probably more critically than other areas. While the need for investment is also true outside London, the two shouldn’t be mutually exclusive. |
I've been reflecting in the news of NQY-LHR route. On the face of it, this sounds to be great news.
I would throw some caution to thec wind. When BA acquired Brymon, one of the first things that happened was to switch the route to the west country over to LGW. JER and IOM routes went the same way. They saw this course of action add commercially attractive. And so it goes, as soon as these slots become eligible for other operations, you can be sure NQY will be the looser. Will LGW slots be available the service? No. The transfer to LHR will drive increased connecting traffic, surely when a PSO was agreed it was to ensure that people living in the west country had adequate connectivity to London, to the capital for work etc. Therefore, I suggest that a move to LHR means that the PSO is subsiidising the airline to increase connecting psssengers. No such subsidy is available to other airlines or routes ex NQY for such an activity?? |
A PSO can be considered for a route "considered vital for the economic and social development of the region which the airport serves" - so connecting traffic certainly comes into the equation. As LHR is the main airport of the capital and economic centre, as well offering connections to the most destinations, it's the airport that most meets that definition.
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The PSO was available to others to bid on. However the most likely operator of a domestic route at LHr doesn’t seem to of been interested that’s not to say that if the worse happens and BE goes belly up that BA won’t decide to take on the pso contract. cs |
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