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The last Flybe IOM-LHR was yesterday, I always heard that it was popular so hopefully someone will bring it back on the departure screens soon! |
Originally Posted by 116d
(Post 10569078)
I wouldn't have thought there's much in it economics-wise between Q400's and ATR 72's, though from a passenger perspective having been on both I prefer the ATR 72's and if it's -600's the bigger overhead luggage bins will be an improvement over the -212A/500's from EI-REL/M's time based at IOM. One negative of having aircraft based at IOM from the last time is if one of them goes tech or if there are delays it impacts the rest of the day's programme, whereas at the moment they can swap aircraft at BHX or MAN.
I do wonder whether this is one area where the new regime are flexing their muscles on the business and who's driving the change? To be fair to Stobart, I've been on the receiving end of needing to wait for a replacement aircraft getting off the IOM and it led to a <2hr delay. Nothing too drastic in my view. |
Originally Posted by flyerguy
(Post 10604217)
The last Flybe IOM-LHR was yesterday, I always heard that it was popular so hopefully someone will bring it back on the departure screens soon! |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10604391)
Latest stats show 64.5 per flight which isn’t too bad considering it wasn’t really peak business timings. Sadly this was always likely to be temporary until such time as the slot was needed for something more lucrative |
Looks like Guernsey has escaped that fate - for the moment. |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10604428)
IMO 64% is not actually that great for a main hub route to LHR |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10604466)
No that’s 64.5 people, 83%. |
But - operated as a slot warner - has it actually made money ?That is the big question. The art is not filling a plane, but earning money by doing so.
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I think there has to be a fairly high level of risk that if IOM/LHR were ever to become a permanent fixture, it would spell the end of at least one other existing IOM/LON service. LGW was down 1,000 pax in July, LCY was down 1,000 pax in August versus last year. The market has grown slightly, but not by the same proportion as the capacity injected. Before there is any excitement about the ongoing viability of IOM/LHR, it merits some consideration of whether it would be a sustainable addition to the IOM network or whether it would displace one of the other links - LCY likely being the one most at risk.
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Trying to think what we had when I was at BMA LHR when we started the IOM with 2 x 73 seat Viscount flights a day
IOM 0730/0830 LHR 0900/1000 IOM BD301/302 plus the evening peak time flight in and out of LHR around 1830 or 1900 iirc We took the slots from BA Also we had 3 or 4 Viscount flights a day LPL-IOM (that also connected nicely with the 4 or 5 daily LHR-LPL services usually) |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10605179)
Trying to think what we had when I was at BMA LHR when we started the IOM with 2 x 73 seat Viscount flights a day
IOM 0730/0830 LHR 0900/1000 IOM BD301/302 plus the evening peak time flight in and out of LHR around 1830 or 1900 iirc We took the slots from BA Also we had 3 or 4 Viscount flights a day LPL-IOM (that also connected nicely with the 4 or 5 daily LHR-LPL services usually) |
Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10
(Post 10605292)
i went on a Viscount a couple of times, enjoyable flights.
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I can't believe IOM LHR has bit the dust. I ssumed any connectivity to LHR was a licence to print money ?
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10605298)
With a full oven galley I think? |
Originally Posted by Navpi
(Post 10605379)
I can't believe IOM LHR has bit the dust. I ssumed any connectivity to LHR was a licence to print money ?
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Originally Posted by virginblue
(Post 10605762)
A single daily flight does not guarantee great connectivity. It will be mainly on high frequency routes to the continent (most of which are served via LCY as well). For longhaul or low-frequency short-haul, a daily feeder flight is not exactly useful.
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Manx used to have x3 rotations a day into LHR, also LTN. I used both extensively, LHR from 1980 and LTN from as soon as they started (2000 I think) and then had to use LGW (I live in Hertfordshire) and was glad when my mother returned to the mainland.
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Originally Posted by Navpi
(Post 10605379)
I can't believe IOM LHR has bit the dust. I ssumed any connectivity to LHR was a licence to print money ?
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It's almost like we need a third runway at LHR to enable connecting traffic ...:}
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BACF LCY frequency increase?
BACF have been allocated additional slots at LCY to increase frequency to IOM for the S20 schedule from 18 to 23 x weekly, according to page 7 of ACL’s LCY S20 Initial Coordination report.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-report.pdf |
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10615265)
BACF have been allocated additional slots at LCY to increase frequency to IOM for the S20 schedule from 18 to 23 x weekly, according to page 7 of ACL’s LCY S20 Initial Coordination report.
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-report.pdf |
No doubt they saw the demand created this summer with the Flybe flight to Heathrow which is extremely unlikely to operate next year. THE BACF flight operates a good reliable regular service from the island to London and should be encouraged.
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Flybe add new 1x daily SEN-IOM service eff 30th March 2020, Great news and replaces LHR.
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I'm pretty convinced that this route will be well received.
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
(Post 10617015)
Flybe add new 1x daily SEN-IOM service eff 30th March 2020, Great news and replaces LHR.
SEN 1050-1205 IOM (Mon-Sat) IOM 1205-1330 SEN (Sun) IOM 1235-1400 SEN (Mon-Sat) |
With Connect Airways focus on feeding VS at LHR & MAN I do wonder how long this route will last. Flybe have practically removed all SEN flying and Stobart only have a handful. |
Originally Posted by lfc84
(Post 10617023)
SEN 1020-1135 IOM (Sun)
SEN 1050-1205 IOM (Mon-Sat) IOM 1205-1330 SEN (Sun) IOM 1235-1400 SEN (Mon-Sat) |
Originally Posted by Cloud1
(Post 10617094)
Flybe have practically removed all SEN flying and Stobart only have a handful. |
Originally Posted by Cloud1
(Post 10617094)
With Connect Airways focus on feeding VS at LHR & MAN I do wonder how long this route will last. Flybe have practically removed all SEN flying and Stobart only have a handful. |
Originally Posted by Cloud1
(Post 10617094)
Flybe have practically removed all SEN flying and Stobart only have a handful. |
In the absence of the third runway at Heathrow these services could be operated to West London by cross rail (when Functioal) via Southend and Shenfield.
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Originally Posted by wetlanding
(Post 10617794)
In the absence of the third runway at Heathrow these services could be operated to West London by cross rail (when Functioal) via Southend and Shenfield.
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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 10617799)
These flights are not for passengers connecting at LHR. It's purely for point to point traffic. Who in their right mind is going to book GLA-SEN-Train across Essex & London-LHR-Destination when you can book with KLM or Emirates or others with one straight forward stop.
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Both STN and SEN have very good European holiday and biz destinations. Otherwise, as JSCL says, they don't work. Sadly, this also applies to most UK domestic airports and has been known for 30+ years. Don't expect anythng to change and don't expect a third at LHR to magically open the options.
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Originally Posted by JSCL
(Post 10617823)
This. If ever I have long haul trips to make, I'll always fly to LCY and connect to Heathrow or go via MAN. Always.
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DLR to Canning Town, Jubilee Line to Green Park and Piccadilly Line to LHR is the direct public transport option.
Option 2 is continue on Jubilee Line to Baker St, change for Bakerloo Line to Paddington for the Heathrow Express |
Originally Posted by vikingraider99
(Post 10618575)
I have to do LHR-LCY soon (not my choice) with luggage … what's the best way to transfer ?
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Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10618679)
If traveling both IOM -LCY & LHR - XXX with BA don't they sort that for you?
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IOM - Dennmark flights
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Originally Posted by euromanxdude
(Post 10641339)
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