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Post 2693 on the Manchester-2 thread:
Regarding EZY at MAN I think you will see 18 airframes this summer and 20 in 2020. New routes coming soon are IOM and JER (moved from LPL base) and INN most likely to become an all year round route up to 3 times a week. |
Does anyone have any info on how the LCY Route is performing. Reliability and punctuality seems to have improved since Loganair took on the route. Has this resulted in a improvement in the loads? |
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10379453)
Does anyone have any info on how the LCY Route is performing. Reliability and punctuality seems to have improved since Loganair took on the route. Has this resulted in a improvement in the loads? https://www.gov.im/media/1364149/mon...ber-2018-2.pdf https://www.gov.im/media/1363897/mon...ber-2018-2.pdf So, that'll be a 'No' then! |
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10379453)
Does anyone have any info on how the LCY Route is performing. Reliability and punctuality seems to have improved since Loganair took on the route. Has this resulted in a improvement in the loads? |
Changes to the Flybe S19 schedule:
LPL down to x3 Mon-Thu & Sun (remains x4 on Fridays and x2 on Sat) MAN down to x4 on other days also. |
Originally Posted by Jenny Tails
(Post 10379819)
Changes to the Flybe S19 schedule:
LPL down to x3 Mon-Thu & Sun (remains x4 on Fridays and x2 on Sat) MAN down to x4 on other days also. |
So with the reduction in flights, will they still need 2 based q400's
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The S19 Flybe schedule does indeed have reductions as mentioned above, but all seems to be normal from TT onwards W/C 27MAY-26OCT.
During those dates, one of the IOM a/c ops LPL-NQY on Wed / Sat until 31AUG. |
LHR - IOM commencing 21st April 1xdaily Dh8 Q400
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The introduction of the IOM - LHR using an IOM based Q400 will have an effect on the IOM - BHX which looks like it will be serviced by a Birmingham based aircraft, albeit at varying times on each day.. On some days this looks like it will be operated by an E175. |
The BHX-IOM schedules have been planned like this ever since the Flybe Summer 2019 schedule first went on sale. They haven't changed.
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Oh yes they have! On 2nd April I booked an IOM-BHX return outbound from Ronaldsway at 14.45 on 25th April, returning at 16.10 from Birmingham on 29th April. Within 2 days I had an email to advise me of changes and am now departing IOM at 17.15 on 25/4 returning at 15.50 on 29/4 both flights now operating on an E175 which will be a BHX based aircraft. Also a look at the timetable now seems to show different times on different days of the week. |
The different times on different days of the week element has been there ever since the TT went on sale. Some of those may individually have changed but the overall notion has not. |
EasyJet Winter 19/20 schedule sees an additional flight to BRS each week - Mon, Fri, Sun. Also, the Sunday night LPL, which was operating during half terms and Christmas, will now operate every week, apart from the 6 week lull from start of January to mid February. Apart from that, all pretty much the same as winter 18/19.
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Super Break will charter Titan Airways on 3 February 2020 for a service to Iceland
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Thought adverts were banned?
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They are. It will be dealt with as it has been reported to the Mods.
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Originally Posted by lfc84
(Post 10444182)
LHR - IOM commencing 21st April 1xdaily Dh8 Q400
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So predictions were right ---- it was a mere slot sitting exercise?
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Originally Posted by lfc84
(Post 10481203)
This will not continue in W19
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Flybe has announced that the airline will no longer have a base on the Isle of Man as part of a new programme with Stobart Air taking over operations.
In a statement released by the company today they say that the final Heathrow service will cease to operate on Friday 26 October this year - something Energy FM News reported in May. It states that flights between Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester will continue as normal, with two Stobart Air models replacing the Flybe Q400s. They say that the existing contract with the Isle of Man Department of Health and Social Care will remain in place, supporting customers seeking to access health services in the UK. New Stobart Air operations are planned to enter service on 5 January neat year, followed by a second ATR on 29 March 2020, when Stobart Air will assume full Isle of Man operations and continue to operate these routes. |
Didn't Stobart operate two based ATR72s until very recently? Pretty sure I flew IOM-MAN on one of the two on first wave recently...
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10567275)
Didn't Stobart operate two based ATR72s until very recently? Pretty sure I flew IOM-MAN on one of the two on first wave recently...
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10567280)
Yes they did and the previous management took it inhouse. It will be interesting to see if Stobart take over other bases or former bases.
In any event I thought that Stobart had injected their flying assets into the new Connect set up, so FlyBe, Stobart, Connect should all be one big happy family, before long. |
Originally Posted by Tonyq
(Post 10567310)
This looks like further muddled, confused, short-term decision making by the new regime, as far as IOM is concerned. A media release quoted by Manx Radio apparently says that the Q400’s are “unsuited” to IOM operations which is clearly a lie. The IOM routes are very similar to 75% of the BE network, in terms of distance, frequency and traffic, and BE operated them very happily, for 10 years before Stobart came on the scene. In any event I thought that Stobart had injected their flying assets into the new Connect set up, so FlyBe, Stobart, Connect should all be one big happy family, before long. I don't know the costs but maybe the ATR is more profitable on routes from IOM? |
If the base is closing, does that mean that the 2 stobart aircraft which will be operating the routes will be nightstop aircraft from another base,
Or does it mean that Stobart will open a base at IOM albeit that Stobart and Flybe are effectively the same company (Connect). Its well confusing........... |
Where are the (two?) ATR72s needed for future IOM-operations based at the moment? They need to be replaced there as well unless the routes on which they are currently used will be chopped.
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Maybe the 2 ATRs will come from SEN if they are planning to chop those routes but who knows?
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The Flybe booking website currently shows that the SEN ATR routes will be discontinued in February/March. On that basis it looks like the IoM services will use the SEN aircraft. Whether those SEN services (GRQ ,RNS, NQY, CFR) will be resumed in some other way I have no idea.
I think that an earlier statement from about a year ago suggested those SEN ATR operations would only run to February 2020. |
Originally Posted by Tagron
(Post 10567442)
The Flybe booking website currently shows that the SEN ATR routes will be discontinued in February/March. On that basis it looks like the IoM services will use the SEN aircraft. Whether those SEN services (GRQ ,RNS, NQY, CFR) will be resumed in some other way I have no idea.
I think that an earlier statement from about a year ago suggested those SEN ATR operations would only run to February 2020. |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10567334)
Depends what the new Flybe management want. It could be they want to free up the Q400s for other routes out of say Heathrow? Or other bases?
I don't know the costs but maybe the ATR is more profitable on routes from IOM? Of course, one thing no one has mentioned, is that Stobart management are now (partly) calling the shots, and the FlyBe management, who threw them off the routes six months ago are now............well who knows where they are! |
100% agree I think Stobart are clearly in the driving seat
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I also have a suspicion that they had difficulty crewing the base with local staff. I flew BHX-IOM earlier this summer and a number of the passengers were Flybe cabin crew, in full uniform, presumably positioning to the island to operate flights. |
Originally Posted by jijpc
(Post 10567607)
I also have a suspicion that they had difficulty crewing the base with local staff. I flew BHX-IOM earlier this summer and a number of the passengers were Flybe cabin crew, in full uniform, presumably positioning to the island to operate flights. |
I should have asked differently, so here we go: When IOM switched from Stobart to Flybe in March this year, where did the based ATR72s move to? They have only been deployed elsewhere now for something like half a year and I wonder if they are the examples that will return to IOM.
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Originally Posted by virginblue
(Post 10567675)
I should have asked differently, so here we go: When IOM switched from Stobart to Flybe in March this year, where did the based ATR72s move to? They have only been deployed elsewhere now for something like half a year and I wonder if they are the examples that will return to IOM.
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My suggestion that the IoM ATRs would be sourced from the SEN operation is now looking less likely. The Flybe SEN timetable has changed again, now showing GRQ, CFR and NQY continuing to the end of the winter period, instead of ending prematurely though RNS apparently only runs to March 1.. Perhaps this is another error that will be resolved soon !
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Originally Posted by Tagron
(Post 10567828)
My suggestion that the IoM ATRs would be sourced from the SEN operation is now looking less likely. The Flybe SEN timetable has changed again, now showing GRQ, CFR and NQY continuing to the end of the winter period, instead of ending prematurely though RNS apparently only runs to March 1.. Perhaps this is another error that will be resolved soon !
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Originally Posted by desk_bound
(Post 10567692)
The two Stobart 72-500's were at end of lease and returned, Connect has picked up the 5(?) 72-600's that Flybe had on the Nordic contract, I believe that these are going on the Stobart AOC and this will produce the equipment for IOM
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Originally Posted by Tonyq
(Post 10567459)
You may be right about the Q400, but to say they are “unsuited” is just a bare-faced lie. If the ATR economics are better, then say they make the network “more sustainable”.
Of course, one thing no one has mentioned, is that Stobart management are now (partly) calling the shots, and the FlyBe management, who threw them off the routes six months ago are now............well who knows where they are! I do wonder whether this is one area where the new regime are flexing their muscles on the business and who's driving the change? |
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