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Falcon666 23rd Jul 2019 14:46


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 10526045)
Hmm what equipment did they plan to use? What routing?

737-800 via Banjul I believe , company involved was Atlantic Star using TUI

atakacs 23rd Jul 2019 15:37

Ok not a strictly direct flight then (I don't think it would be possible).

Falcon666 23rd Jul 2019 18:50


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 10526132)
Ok not a strictly direct flight then (I don't think it would be possible).

Originally they planned a B757 operation ( leased from Icelandair) but that wasn’t going to be direct. then the flights were planned from LGW .In the end the above flights were due to operate from LTN but the wind shear problems kicked off at St Helena and the rest is history.
Google is your friend if you want to delve deeper.

BA318 23rd Jul 2019 18:54


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 10526132)
Ok not a strictly direct flight then (I don't think it would be possible).

technically it would have been a direct flight just not non-stop. Direct flight means same plane, same flight number but could stop elsewhere enroute.

atakacs 23rd Jul 2019 19:16


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 10526323)
technically it would have been a direct flight just not non-stop. Direct flight means same plane, same flight number but could stop elsewhere enroute.

Fair point.

For the sake of argument can any current type make UK <-> St Helena non stop? Maybe some high end bizjet (Gulfstream 650 or the like)? Commercial seems out of the question (you can't land a heavy there).

Cyrano 23rd Jul 2019 21:26


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 10526333)

Fair point.

For the sake of argument can any current type make UK <-> St Helena non stop? Maybe some high end bizjet (Gulfstream 650 or the like)? Commercial seems out of the question (you can't land a heavy there).


A Bombardier Global 6000 would get you there (and back) non-stop...

WHBM 23rd Jul 2019 22:36


Originally Posted by Falcon666 (Post 10526317)
Originally they planned a B757 operation ( leased from Icelandair) … but the wind shear problems kicked off at St Helena and the rest is history

Icelandair would have surely had one of the prime sets of crews from around the world (along with Air New Zealand at Wellington and Loganair) for whom windshear and crosswinds are a daily event readily handled.


AirportPlanner1 24th Jul 2019 06:46


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 10526132)
Ok not a strictly direct flight then (I don't think it would be possible).

You could get there non-stop in theory but not with enough fuel to divert should it be required (given how far the alternatives are)

kfsimpson 24th Jul 2019 09:22


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 10526333)
For the sake of argument can any current type make UK <-> St Helena non stop? Maybe some high end bizjet (Gulfstream 650 or the like)? Commercial seems out of the question (you can't land a heavy there).



Tory party grandee Michael Ashcroft has twice flown his private jet there. It's a Dassault Falcon 7X, which appears to have more than enough range to fly from Britain to St Helena. Perhaps he will offer to fly Boris there and leave him at Longwood House like Napoleon.

rog747 2nd Aug 2019 15:57

Operating the fight from CPT was THE sensible equation to take up the tourists (who are actually aplenty wishing to go to the island BUT for ££££ current huge cost flying from from JNB on a tiddly plane)
Comair/BA threw in the towel after buying a brand new 737-800SWL for the route and then finding the wind-shear was off limits for their Ops after a proving flight.
Nambia have refused traffic rights at WDH or permission for the fuel stop from CPT

All a take of woe really init....

Flights from the UK were mooted YEARS ago now using TUI Netherlands from LTN via BJL
Why the Dutch TUI were asked and not UK TUI, and the cost of the empty Posn flights to/from AMS-LTN-AMS, and even before that plans were with Astraeus (I think) with a 757 was going to be doing it....

That is how long this debacle has been going on for!

atakacs 3rd Aug 2019 12:56

Ani idea why Namibia is not cooperating (I guess politics but I honestly don't know).

CabinCrewe 1st Aug 2020 11:31

Lots of nice little videos of first Titan 757 at St Helena. Looks as if it managed no problem with a test planned for around in the other direction. A 757 really is perfect for that route.
See Facebook St Helena Airport site and some on YouTube

OC37 1st Aug 2020 13:30


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 10850858)
Lots of nice little videos of first Titan 757 at St Helena. Looks as if it managed no problem with a test planned for around in the other direction. A 757 really is perfect for that route.
See Facebook St Helena Airport site and some on YouTube

Titan previously put an A318 in to St Helena, saw a flight deck video of the approach and it seemed a tad lumpy, then they did some practice approaches from both ends.

Alteagod 1st Aug 2020 14:42

The Nepal Airlines 757 combi might be a considered purchase for titan to operate to St Helena, depends on performance data but there we go. Thats my tuppence worth on the story.

Asturias56 1st Aug 2020 15:42

"Icelandair would have surely had one of the prime sets of crews from around the world (along with Air New Zealand at Wellington and Loganair) for whom windshear and crosswinds are a daily event readily handled."

TAP crews who go into Santa Cruz in Madeira are the guys you want TBH - I've also seen some interesting arrivals at Ambon

BA318 1st Aug 2020 18:35


Originally Posted by Alteagod (Post 10850969)
The Nepal Airlines 757 combi might be a considered purchase for titan to operate to St Helena, depends on performance data but there we go. Thats my tuppence worth on the story.

I doubt any reputable operator will be going near that.

CabinCrewe 1st Aug 2020 20:42

There must be a glut of 757s now, such as TUI UK ones. Didn’t lots of them become freighters? Don’t think it’s all about cargo for Titan anyway.

750XL 1st Aug 2020 21:16

757 is a big and expensive piece of metal to be using to St Helena, with dwindling 757 operators around willing to take on the contract.

Embraer or C-series probably better suited

OC37 2nd Aug 2020 04:30

Well Titan previously operated an A318 ex STN with just one stop in Accra, just 32 business class seats but a fair whack of cargo so not sure how much weight restricted they may have been.




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