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The key problem with UNITED using a C30WY184 B763 to replace a C16WY153 B752 is that for a highly seasonal VFR market like Scotland, you're adding 20% more WY but a whopping 88% more seats in Business and Polaris Business at that. It's not like Air Canada Rouge where end of life B763s are being used to serve secondary markets, the UNITED B763 fleet is being refershed with their latest product for key business markets.

The B764 gives a 31.4% boost in seats in WY against the B752 whereas Business jumps by 144%, these are premium heavy birds.

also posted on Newcastle thread -

Notice a couple of Edinburgh bound flights are diverting into Newcastle after leaving holding pattern just south of Edinburgh, with more holding over Southern Edinburgh area.
Currently easyJet 807 from Gatwick and easyJet 3385 from Venice are on NCL approach.

ref. FR24

Diverted because of severe weather which was Thunder and lightning plus severe rain and hail with some freak wind gusts too on approach.

Wasn't today meant to be the start of the Great Dane/Aalborg flights?

Was advertised as 24th June launch. Has been operating charters to Palma, Chania, Bourgas etc instead, and with same flight numbers.
Mmm.

We will have to wait and see if they actually operate the flights, I know flights are still available for booking and they are also awaiting a 2nd aircraft to join the fleet so maybe they are short on aircraft.

Also a question to anyone who may have information regarding what airlines have applied for slots for W19/20 and if there are any new airlines, I would appreciate it very much if you could either share on here or dm me, thanks in advance.

2 new Tui routes were announced today for W19 and S20

Edinburgh - Malaga Eff 01MAR20 1x weekly B737 MAX8
Edinburgh - Toulouse Eff 29DEC19 - 08MAR20 1x weekly B737 MAX8

These surely replace chartered BACF flights. Given that the single based a/c is intensively used, does the malaga flight replace another rotation, eg to Palma?

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Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10503225)

These surely replace chartered BACF flights. Given that the single based a/c is intensively used, does the malaga flight replace another rotation, eg to Palma?

I don’t think they do. They are operated by TOM for March and April before reverting to BA in May. I don’t believe the flight operated in Mar/Apr before so at least that seems to be an increase, along with TLS. Looks like during the ski season the aircraft will operate to TLS on Sundays (can’t see anything else as of yet) and then in March will switch to AGP. At the end of March a LCA flight also starts in the afternoon. We mustn’t forget though that LPA is completely gone this year, meaning there are no flights on Mondays at all for W19. On the up side, PFO looks to be increased with only January having no flights on Wednesdays.

I see that the Great Dane flight from Aalborg is on tomorrow's schedule, arr 07.45

Possible reprieve?

There might still be hope for the Hainan China flight....

https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/201...r-negotiation/

Regarding Hainan, at least they will be back next summer and there is a possibility they may still continue through the winter or as the article said have a partner airline operate the route instead. So not all bad.

Also Finnair to increase Helsinki up to 6x weekly during the winter on E190.

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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 (Post 10504129)

Partner airline = code share!

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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 (Post 10504129)

Finnair to HEL is a great link. Generally the quickest way to Asia. Plus they have A350s.

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Originally Posted by A350Saltire (Post 10507049)

Finnair to HEL is a great link. Generally the quickest way to Asia. Plus they have A350s.

Thanks for this, heading to Seoul soon and great circle shows Scandi is the fastest route ... but I didn't think of Finnair!

And today was the start of Qatar going 10x weekly.

Partner airline could either be code share via Brussels ( already available on no op days via SN feed) or transfer to HNA lower cost division Capital and that happens to be under more direct control of CAISSA transferring risk to another spread sheet.
Capital would probably operate just one flight per week but using an A332 and might just work well imho.

Possibly not scientific but over the next week on the days when the Hainan does not operate Skyscanner punts all passengers via Flybe to Manchester.

Maybe that will be the option in Winter.

Finnair are very good and transferring at Helsinki is really easy - they've run Far eastern flights for decades

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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 (Post 10501656)

Not all of the traffic is heading to New York, a lot will be carrying on to other destinations. This traffic is now being adequately served by transfers through Boston, Washington and Chicago. Just because the number of seats to New York has decreased, doesn't mean there's now a shortage of capacity - the transfers will have moved elsewhere, freeing up capacity for New York bound passengers.

Even if there is a shortage of seats, increasing capacity is a difficult balancing act, it's not as simple as just putting a 767 on the route. To do so, you need to remove the 767 from another route. So first you need to find a route that is struggling and down gauge it to a 757, or a route that is doing well and can be up-gauged to a 777/787.. but only if you drop a 777/787 destination etc. Given the lack of range of the 757, this is going to limit your options on where you can send it in the first case.

The second option is to add another daily 757 flight, like they used to. However, Newark is at capacity and there are no spare slots available, so to do this will involve dropping an existing route. You've also then got to factor in what else that slot could be used for - are they going to make more money on a second daily EDI, or could they make more launching a new route or increasing frequency to somewhere else in Europe.

The final option is to keep things the way they are, and keep charging higher fares.

You can't just think about EDI on it's own, and what it needs. There's only so many aircraft to go around, so any changes will need changes elsewhere in the system to accommodate it.

Stats for May are not reflecting this. UA and DL both still rammed on NYC, averaging 93% full for the month. That's despite PHL and ORD operating all month, plus IAD and BOS joining later on.

As for fleet rotation, I believe UA's strategy now is to get the B75Ws off most the transatlantic routes sooner rather than later anyway. I'd say that's backed up by the equipment changes made on routes over the past year or two. B78X deliveries are freeing up widebodies too. I don't think it'd be much of a stretch for them, they've managed it on every other year round B75W route out of EWR so far.

EDI is just one small part of a bigger picture, of course. It just wouldn't surprise me if the change is made at some point down the line, given the general trend being observed elsewhere on UA's Euro network...