I was in the airport chatting to a chap from Bradford. It had taken him less time to get to Doncaster Sheffield than Leeds Bradford.

He was impressed and had decided to ditch LBA when he could.

It's a shame that they can't turn around the Leeds local trains at a Doncaster Sheffield station - a spur off the quiet Lincoln line... Would make it very accessible.

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@ LEEDS APPROACH

The problem is that you keep posting the same opinion over and over again, year in, year out.
I'm not going to get, yet again, into a discussion on whether your ideas contain any merit, but I fail to see how banging on incessantly about the same proposal which appears to involve the closure of this and another airport can possibly be construed as 'Doncaster Sheffield Airport news', and therefore as such your activity seems to pretty much meet the criteria of being a troll.
Has it not crossed your mind that you are wasting your energy on here and on the Leeds thread? By all means express your views, but try putting them somewhere where somebody might show some interest...such as writing to newspapers...your MP...or even your own Church Fenton thread, but please stop spoiling the enjoyment of those of us who come on here to read some actual news.

Could not have worded that better .
Btw. Point of order . It's not been called ' Yeadon airport' for many years.
I was going to ask if you had missed LBA -Jet 2 New York flights - not to JFK.
I say again Church Fenton is a no go.
It's too close to the military training corridors for one.
Next it's too close to the end of the proposed High-speed rail.
Added to that it's too close to the planned large alterations to the M1/A1)M) ( linking them to allow more traffic movements there) .
Point is so much going on in a small area will have nimbys and green party lot crawling all over it for years.
Why expand C.F.. When DSA , is slowly establishing .
With large sums spent on access. Changes were made to the highways England owned motorway to assist in that link road .
Plus the europort and large government backing for an ECML spur in future .
That's a lot of cash to throw away and have to pass planning buy acres of land to build a long and wide enough runway ( maybe two ) if your closing ' Yeadon '.
Where is that money coming from?.
Leeds city council still cannot agree years after closing one of the best inter suburban local rail networks out of London - how to provide a public rapid transport orclight rail solution.
It's pie in the sky. You may have been right BEFORE DSA was built and the ten years prior and during that ' Yeadon was getting extended '.
IF you felt strongly then, there are mechanisms in local government to first petition town / parish councils then county plus MP then gather signatures ( see the borders rail campaign for phase 2).
Then you might have got there.
But to hijack a Doncaster thread which some of us see a new post and hope it is actually news about DSA.
With something that won't happen isn't helpful.
This country is on a financial knife edge .
If they couldn't replace Heathrow how do you see them while spending a pittancecon transport in the north, doing essentially the same up here .
Best advise is let be.
Your stuck with LBA it's your local airport. And it's busy so they must be doing something right .

I see freight is on the up anyone willing to declare what they are shipping or is it even inbound or outbound. Perhaps feeding that large Amazon depot?

I must take you to task about this post. Assuming the gentlemen lived in Bradford City Centre(you have to start somewhere).
To LBA is 7 miles in an urban area at average 20mph. Time taken - 20mins.
To DSA is 40+ miles so if he is going to do it in 20 mins he must average 120mph!
When you say it took less time to get to DSA than LBA when it is 6 x further, you have to give more detail of the journey to be taken seriously.

Last year someone posted that he had traveled from DSA to Castleford in 30 mins and admitted it was late at night with very little traffic around.

It's a shame you didn't ask for more detail because I would certainly had done so with that claim.

Hmm Bradford to Doncaster in that time with the M62 and the roadworks plus ALR until Castleford exit.
Then you have to come off into the short bit of A1 motorway and hit the constant eye as high speed traffic from now 100 odd miles of motorway class road is funnelled into an old twisty 1950's mess . Average speed all day very slow. It took me one day 40 mins from the endcof the 3lane to Red house ( A638) so then you have a choice of getting through the city and its traffic or round the terrible old motorway bypass ( both are up for widening at the same time ) right a long there to the M18 - air for the junction and its lights ( M18/A1M ) another few mins to the airport.
Nope unless he had a helicopter or jump jet not very realistic.
Unless it was 3am. And still not possible.
Also Where in Bradford? It's huge .

Obviously the chap in the terminal was totally exaggerating on the travel distance and the time it took to get to DSA but isn't it really annoying when grown adults who should no better but have a habit of exaggerating, I've come across so many people that exaggerate I find it unbelievable and immature.

It did surprise me. But it was early o'clock, so not something I thought to challenge until later...

I suspect it depends on which part of Bradford he was coming from... and he may have been comparing not like for like times of day.

I think it was just an early morning bit of banter and neither yourself or the gentleman in question thought that the topic would be discussed any further.

You have those type of conversations with people and it's not until afterwards that you think to yourself 'what the hell was that guy going on about'!

hi all
i live on the east side of leeds at cross gates,i use the dsa to malaga flight 3times per year
as its normally cheaper than lba.the millage door to door is 44 miles and motor ways can can some times work for you or against you,from the house to lba is 13 miles and no m/ways and 4 different ways of getting there,i think its all about cost and flight times and your personal choice, the only problem i have found with dsa is if its a late booking the cost of the car is very expensive where at lba there is 2 off site car parks which are
a lot cheaper than the airports.

There is the weekly inbound MD11 from Nairobi with produce for supermarkets. Then the bulk of flights are outbound cargo going to numerous oilfields around the globe, the odd aid flight and special stage flights for arena entertainment shows. The daily Amazon European trial ended a while ago.

I understand the latest Amazon trial goes out of East Midlands, operated by ASL again, but this time to Milan & Madrid.

Apparently the new route is a 4 x weekly Flybe service to Belfast.

If true I call shenanigans!

Even Flybe have served it previously and so it cannot be called a new route by Peel PR!

From double daily to infrequently previously on a dash meant the route went under. See no reason why it won't happen again at 4 x weekly.

Plenty of routes have failed before and served again. Amsterdam one example.

Lublin to DSA is now cut. More on the way apparently.

Yeah I cant see the Belfast route lasting, the biggest problem with DSA is routes don't last long, then come back. Its a PR disaster really.

There are still a large number of people in Doncaster alone who havent a clue what airlines we have and where they go.

I wonder when TUI again will call Bodrum, Kos, Enfidha, Malta new routes if they bring them back!

Flybe so far now have dropped Dusseldorf and Berlin to my knowledge.

Looks like Wizz have started.

For 6 years I have had to use MAN or EMA as the flight choice just is not there. Its such a shame. I actually love the airport and want it to succeed. But Im not just going to Alicante or Malaga for my hols.

I really want DSA to succeed, but I agree, there’s still very much a culture of ‘oh I didn’t know you could fly there from donny’.

Definitely. I'm a fairly local travel agent and am constantly surprised by the number of people who didn't even know it existed. However, once a customer flies from there, 9 out of 10 are converted and love the place.

I always try and promote the airport where possible. It's very much in my interests for the place to succeed, but it is difficult when TUI and Flybe are your only options.

If we could just get a Jet2 or Thomas Cook in there with a meaningful program (i.e. not just Cook's token PMI flight), then the place would really take off.

I think TCX have pulled out operating charter flights from DSA. They are though still taking Holiday bookings to Majorca using Flybe and TUi flights into PMI.

Considering Jet2 have a massive outfit at LBA (and EMA to a certain extent), all DSA would do is dilute their market a bit more. Would be nice, but i can't see it happening anytime soon

Always assumed TCX/TUI were sworn rivals so why the collaboration?

Agreed, there's presently no point in them using DSA, unless they run out of capacity at LBA.

Is that even a remote possibility? I hear that LBA can get very over-run at peak times and passengers can spend up to 90 mins trying to get out of the place, so I imagine it's going to be difficult to keep adding capacity there.

I don't recall having read this anywhere?

PS - I'm surprised to note that Sheffield Arena has been renamed FlyDSA Arena.

Airlines/Tour Operators make a big show when they put on new routes. When they drop one, they never make a sound.

Do not worry about falling passenger numbers on various routes from this North West owned airport. This airport will be kept open. Routes will continually make a comeback.

Far far less than ideal Yeadon verses far far less than ideal Finningley is propelling the whole North West of England and Manchester Airport especially.

Having ONE well located [allied to greatest potential population catchment], connected and in time fully functioning airport within the Yorkshire and Humber region (aiding the whole North East of England and North Midlands) would completely change the face of civil aviation in the North West of England.

The irony is that both Doncaster and Leeds economy would go through the roof with the scenario above rather than the utter failure and exporting of wealth to immediate neighbours that is now the historic norm.

Please can we use LBA/DSA
the young members may not have a glue!

Oh your still at it aren't you but this time with a more balanced statement but the undertones are still clearly obvious.

Strange to see you here on a Tuesday I thought it was only Sundays that you posted on Pprune!

There's already 1 main airport for North East England anyway...Newcastle

Ahhh, but that's not a Yorkshire airport........

And Yorkshire isn’t in the NE.

DSA has great facilities that should attract more airlines once their current contracts are due for renewal. I think the days of the Northern airports having to give airlines loss making deal to base aircraft at their airports will become a thing of the past now AMP own NCL and LBA.

Northern area airports / (Owners) / Runway Length in feet.

North West
Manchester Airport (Manchester Airports Group) 10,000ft
Liverpool Airport (Peel Group 80%) 7,500ft

North East
Newcastle Airport (NIAL GROUP LIMITED which is 49% owned by AMP Capital) 7,641ft
Durham Tees Valley Airport (Peel Group 89%) 7,516ft

Yorkshire Humberside

Leeds Bradford Airport (AMP Capital) 7,382ft
Humberside Airport (Bristow Aviation Holding Limited) 7,205ft
Doncaster Sheffield Airport (Peel Group) 9,491ft

Flybe is axing TXL on 8th June, and will be replaced by x4 weekly flights to BHD from 15th June.

The lack of choice at this time of year is poor, I mean only 5/6 flights on a Wednesday!

I was surprised Flybe never picked up the Geneva route from DSA as previously operated by Thomsonfly and Easyjet.

TOM1747 that would be a welcome readdition as long as they had a decent arrival time unlike last year's Chambery which got you in well after dark with no public transport available.

Yes, isn't it amazing that when a route is axed, not a sound is made by anyone - but "new" routes are announced from the rooftops. It's a shame about Berlin, that's one I thought might do OK given Berlin's large population.

A few locals like me are willing to pay more to fly into DSA but I think that most in the catchment area are still unwilling to pay what is often an extra 50-odd quid when cheaper options exist at either MAN, EMA or LBA. Certainly applies in Sheffield, where income levels are generally pretty low and EMA by road or MAN by train are pretty easy journeys.

The second stage of the link road will open shortly which will bring it right to the airport's doorstep. I'm sure that within the catchment area there's plenty of people who would be willing to pay for the convenience of DSA - but haven't used it yet. Word of mouth is that people who use it once always want to use it again. Barring another major financial meltdown, I think the airport has a decent future.

Link road hit a milestone this weekend. First Roundabout opened. Actual road still under construction..

Yes, I think I read that the closure of the Parrot's Corner roundabout last weekend, put the link road out of action, leading to major diversions - and a reminder of what access used to be like.

As much as I cant stand the airline, I am surprised Ryanair havent made a return, Pisa, Girona, Tenerife South, Alicante etc.

TUI again, I thought they might have offered the return of the long haul once things had got better.

Might the Flybe agreement preclude the likes of Ryan Air from operating out of DSA?