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Guernsey government agreed (yesterday 14Dec) to becoming guarantor for £46M loan for Aurigny to purchase 3new ATR 600 fitted with “ClearVision” fog busting” IR HUD to replace current ATR. First delivery August next year other 2 before next Xmas. Studies showed purchase to be more cost effective than lease. |
Originally Posted by cobopete
(Post 10336215)
Studies showed purchase to be more cost effective than lease. |
Originally Posted by snchater
(Post 10336410)
And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option ..... |
I understand it had a lot to do with the terms ATR were prepared to offer for Aurigny to be the lead customer for their new technology - possibly because the islands provide an ideal place and conditions to show off its benefits! Pete The independant consultants engaged to study the options available estimated leasing cost of an ATR600 to be £130,000 a month per aircraft. You do the sums! |
Originally Posted by snchater
(Post 10336410)
And yet almost every major carrier consider leasing to be the more cost effective option ..... |
I forgot to take into account that COBO and VZON have part exchange value of approx $16 million making the “buy” deal even better for Aurigny. |
I note that while GNSEY was down earlier this week awaiting part for repair, two Titan Airbus A320 GPOWK and GPOWM were leased to operate the Gatwick route. Does anyone know what PAX number restrictions are applied to allow them to operate in and out of GCI? Thanx Pete |
GCI-JER & GCI-SOU
Aurigny have announced two additional routes;
GCI - SOU GCI - JER Both with their ATR42, twice daily, from May. I guess Flybe / Blue Islands won't be too happy. |
Originally Posted by five zero by ortac
(Post 10400881)
Aurigny have announced two additional routes;
GCI - SOU GCI - JER Both with their ATR42, twice daily, from May. I guess Flybe / Blue Islands won't be too happy. Stop ordering new technology and new aircraft before that technology is approved might be a good place to start. |
And another new route to be announced shortly too I hear,
I wonder if it will be domestic or European? |
Standby for even greater operational losses; & an opportunity for the States to bail them out for an even more substantial sum ! It just highlights the absurdity of it all as, while AUR are being bailed out, the States will also be subsidizing their main competitors to the tune of £825,000 to provide a Heathrow service which takes business away from their “ in house” airline ! You really could not make it up ! Just heard the Managing Director of AUR saying that the fares for these routes “will be attractive” - just wait - they may achieve losses even greater than I am expecting. |
Fascinating History repeating itself on SOU and JER; SOU always used to have 2 operators and what happened to the BI/GR joint inter-island venture. cant believe there is the demand Shame Waves went bust Inter island needs a higher frequency of small plane; Dornier better suited? |
Press releases state that the “spare” ATR 42 GHUET is to be used. Pete |
Aurigny have been retiming the Alderney flights for a few days now. Anyone know why?
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Aurigny have been retiming the Alderney
Shortage of ATC I believe, especially around Midday
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Two aircraft on maintenance, one aircraft is tech awaiting parts, so only one serviceable aircraft. Hence the schedule going out the window.
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G-ETAC is back in service today but has a white rudder. Has this been replaced, and if so, what was wrong with the old one. I seem to recall that G-OAUR also appeared with a white rudder a few months ago. Same problem on both a/c?
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I'm hearing whispers that STN is to be dropped from the schedule, if this is true it seems that maybe the new Flybe & Blue Islands routes to LHR & SEN have eaten away at the passenger loads..
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Originally Posted by Jerbourg
(Post 10508567)
I'm hearing whispers that STN is to be dropped from the schedule, if this is true it seems that maybe the new Flybe & Blue Islands routes to LHR & SEN have eaten away at the passenger loads..
Whilst not necessarily unusual, I have noticed the ATR 42 seems to have done the Stansted run before it does the evening Jersey and Southampton runs a few times recently, suggesting that the loads are at best in the mid 40s each way |
That is the point. Guernsey - London has a limited clientele. If you widen the options, you divide the available traffic between more operators. Simple, really. This neatly illustrates the folly of the States subsidizing their State airline & simultaneously subsidizing its main competitor ! |
Two out of the three 228's have been tech numerous times over the last week - one for the entire week causing many cancellations.
Aurigny - The Islanders Airline.... (cough cough) |
Is there a crewing issue here - some crew going tec in addition to the a/c? I notice they are just running G-OAUR again today but have had time off rather than keeping up with just the one a/c - crew breaks maybe?
Also, do they need different crews for G-LGIS as it is a different variant? |
Most aircrew are able to fly the older Do228 as well s the NGs.
I understand there has been a deterioration since ops was transferred from ACI to LGW. Last month saw "crew shortage" on occasions - not because of sickness but bungled rosters - giving crew time off but failing to provide cover. This resulted in flight cancellations and reschedulings so that one a/c could do all the flights for one day. |
The continually whinging CEO strikes again, he appears to forget that the taxpayer has subsidised his airline for 10's of million over the years & will continue to do so until decent management can turn the airline into profit.
https://gsy.bailiwickexpress.com/gsy.../#.XS4WL25FxPY |
Originally Posted by Jerbourg
(Post 10520229)
The continually whinging CEO strikes again, he appears to forget that the taxpayer has subsidised his airline for 10's of million over the years & will continue to do so until decent management can turn the airline into profit.
https://gsy.bailiwickexpress.com/gsy.../#.XS4WL25FxPY |
Can't see that happening as long as it remains a States-owned airline. Your comment on the 3rd July hit the nail on the head perfectly. How absurd to subsidize not just your own airline but a competitor (flybe) too! Some Guernsey politicians evidently are making Westminster their role model.
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Originally Posted by Gurnard
(Post 10520313)
Can't see that happening as long as it remains a States-owned airline. Your comment on the 3rd July hit the nail on the head perfectly. How absurd to subsidize not just your own airline but a competitor (flybe) too! Some Guernsey politicians evidently are making Westminster their role model.
I suspect the subsidy would have been given to Aurigny if they had an aircraft capable of using Heathrow |
Aurigny could use their Embraer 195 jet or as previous posters have stated the ATR72 can be operated into and out of Heathrow. It just needs careful management of approach and climb out speeds. |
Is there any information available how many passengers on the LHR flights are actually connecting via LHR to/from another destination (and if so, to/from a destination not available at LGW). I would supsect the percentage of connecting passengers is rather low, gven the frequency of the BE flight, so that the whole exercise looks more like a vanity project. Generally, it makes a lot of sense to concentrate on high frequencies from LGW instead of spreading operations between two large London airports. If at all, a low frequency, low fare service from another London airport - such as the Aurigny service to STN - makes senses that targents a different clientele.
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I suspect the subsidy would have been given to Aurigny if they had an aircraft capable of using Heathrow |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10520932)
Is there an issue with the ATR72 at LHR? Hop used them as slot sitters in recent years, and flybe DHDs are now remarkably common.
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The approach speeds into LHR for the Q400 are very similar to narrowbody jets so this is why they are so compatible with LHR
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Flew the GCI LHR this week Really took me back to the Air UK days Lovely to ser the Dash 8 compete with the big jets We were however delayed 3 hours due to the Dash going tech Chatting to 2 business guys who had come to GcI for the day; couldn't understand why there were no direct European flights from the channel islands these days Surely GR could do at least a daily GCI JER CDG? (ir maybe better Flybe with AF codeshares) The feeling was that Aurigny were just trying to preserve their gatwick route which is not brilliant for connections I hope flybe keep the LHR route into the winter Im trying the SEN route in a couple of weeks ; I can’t imagine the loads are very high on that I do note that Blue Islands have improved their GCI JER LCY connectivity for the winter timetable |
Originally Posted by bmaviscount
(Post 10535895)
The feeling was that Aurigny were just trying to preserve their gatwick route which is not brilliant for connections I noticed in the latest Gatwick slot report for Winter 2019 that they had applied (and were turned down) for another weekly slot pair (presumably to bring GR602/ 603 flights up to daily like all the other are. The interesting thing would be how many people have they taken away from their own Gatwick service by starting up Southampton (where the flight prices seem to be generally cheaper than their LGW prices as they are trying to take passengers off Blue Islands) - it won't be huge numbers but it's probably a factor in their Gatwick figures being down a little although not as big a factor as the Heathrow service which I really hope stays around |
Originally Posted by bmaviscount
(Post 10535895)
Im trying the SEN route in a couple of weeks ; I can’t imagine the loads are very high on that The CAA figures for first few days of operation in May were reasonable. I’ve heard it’s been doing OK generally, although not sure about yield as there seem to have been various promotions. |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10536019)
Why not? It had a JER route even before the new terminal was there and the current incarnation with EZY seems to be going strong. The CAA figures for first few days of operation in May were reasonable. I’ve heard it’s been doing OK generally, although not sure about yield as there seem to have been various promotions. |
Originally Posted by asdf1234
(Post 10536141)
I flew outbound from SEN to GCI recently. 27 pax including me. Not good given that we are in the peak holiday season.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 10536166)
The load factor for June was 46% unless there were any cancelled flights I'm not aware of. There seems to have been a large increase in capacity on GCI-LON this year and the decision to fly GCI-SEN daily seemed strange to me.
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Originally Posted by aurigny72
(Post 10536238)
I agree that a daily service GCI-SEN is probably to much, especially with the new LHR-GCI service as well. I would have thought 3/4 times weekly on the SEN route would have been enough for the Summer. What is more crazy is that Blue Islands is intending to continue the GCI-SEN throughout the winter at the same daily frequency, unless they change their mind a lot of money will be lost on that and also on the Aurigny GCI- STN service. I do believe that Blue Islands is trying to get Aurigny to drop that route, lets hope they have got deep pockets, time will tell.
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Aurigny r not umreliable, they just try to fly all timetabled flights to the advertise destination despite the delays rather than cancel at the drop of hat. |
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