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Jerbourg 18th Jan 2018 16:10


Originally Posted by Hermite (Post 10023498)
G-HUET flew to LGW on Saturday as flight GR608. The return flight was cancelled and the a/c appears to still be at LGW, at least according to FR24. Any ideas as to what is going on?



It had an oil leak on arrival at LGW apparently & according to my source is awaiting an engine change.

Hermite 24th Feb 2018 12:06

The new Dornier is due in the next 4 months. Has there been any news on this, or is the date likely to be extended again?

Aero Mad 24th Feb 2018 17:10

Difficult to confirm at the moment. RUAG's record has been quite poor but expect by Q3.

Hermite 7th Mar 2018 08:21

G-SAYE
 
Just wondering if anyone knows what happened with G-SAYE on the GR203 flight this morning. It circled over Guernsey for a while before landing. There seemed to be lots of airport vehicle activity waiting for the a/c, which didn't go to the normal stand.

Gurnard 7th Mar 2018 09:22

ITV News reports undercarriage problems and an emergency declared, but the a/c landed safely. It remained on the runway while pax were taken off.

Gurnard 7th Mar 2018 09:28

G-LGIS
On the Dornier theme, this a/c has not flown since the 17th December 2017. Does anyone know why it has been out of service for so long? This same airframe did not fly between July 2016 and March 2017, spending 6 months back at the factory. Another 2.5 months in the hangar at GCI seems more than a major overhaul. A lame duck?

Hermite 7th Mar 2018 09:38

G-LGIS came out of the hanger and headed off down the taxiway shortly after the problem with G-SAYE. Perhaps it has just been hanging around as a spare a/c for the last couple of months.

Buster the Bear 7th Mar 2018 10:03

Emergency at Guernsey Airport due to Dornier issues | Channel - ITV News

Gurnard 12th Mar 2018 19:56

G-LERE
Operated today's GR694 GCI-EMA but abandoned the climb and returned to GCI. Aircraft was on the ground for over 3 hours before departing again as GR1694. Does anyone know the reason for the return to GCI? This kind of thing is not uncommon with GR's ATR72s.

Harry Wayfarers 13th Mar 2018 05:40


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10081451)
G-LERE
Operated today's GR694 GCI-EMA but abandoned the climb and returned to GCI. Aircraft was on the ground for over 3 hours before departing again as GR1694. Does anyone know the reason for the return to GCI? This kind of thing is not uncommon with GR's ATR72s.

It would have been a technical problem!

Gurnard 13th Mar 2018 09:08

Yes, I'm aware of that as Aurigny stated as much on Facebook. I was looking for anything a little more specific.

Harry Wayfarers 13th Mar 2018 09:23


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10081890)
Yes, I'm aware of that as Aurigny stated as much on Facebook. I was looking for anything a little more specific.

It could be something as insignificant as a disfunctional light bulb or a faulty electrical connection ... There are more important things in life to worry about!

northsands 16th Mar 2018 12:41

Aurigny Norwich service?
 
Anyone know if Aurigny will be operating a weekly Guernsey to Norwich schedule again this summer 2018?

rog747 16th Mar 2018 16:25


Originally Posted by northsands (Post 10085841)
Anyone know if Aurigny will be operating a weekly Guernsey to Norwich schedule again this summer 2018?

quick look shows sunday flights may-oct

Hermite 19th Mar 2018 12:17

All of the Aurigny flights have been delayed this morning, some the Flybe flights cancelled and others also delayed. Comments on facebook (supported by Aurigny) are that this is caused by not being able to deice the a/c when it is snowing. This sounds rather unusual. Does anyone know the full story behind this? Jersey is operating normally.

jp54 19th Mar 2018 12:36

By the sounds of things they only have Type I fluid which is not a great deal of use while it is still snowing.

Jetscream 32 19th Mar 2018 13:06

Not exactly a traditional icing region - although I was there March 13 when we had a decent blanket.... still it will be back up to 12 degrees tomorrow!

Hermite 19th Mar 2018 23:20

I know that Guernsey weather is milder than most of the UK, but I'm surprised that they aren't better equipped for de-icing. There are reports of similar weather in JCI which was operating more or less normally.

Gurnard 20th Mar 2018 08:29

I can confirm that the above posts are correct. The de-icing fluid available in GCI cannot be used when it is snowing, otherwise it re-freezes. Let's hope that two lots of snow in one month cause a rethink!

Jetscream 32 20th Mar 2018 13:46

A rethink to what? Storing more really expensive Type IV fluid that has to come in by boat in the first place plus the training required for the application... This is the channel islands we are talking about not Heathrow.....

cobopete 20th Mar 2018 14:39


Originally Posted by Jetscream 32 (Post 10090364)
A rethink to what? Storing more really expensive Type IV fluid that has to come in by boat in the first place plus the training required for the application... This is the channel islands we are talking about not Heathrow.....

It should also be remembered that Guernsey cannot tolerate any contamination to the water supply with all run-off collected and routed to the reservoir for drinking water. Remember the PFOS incident - the contaminated soil is still stored at the airport. This may well be the reason de-icer needs to be water soluble.
PS This is the Aurigny thread, not Guernsey Airport. Further discussion of this topic should be continued there.
Pete

canberra97 26th Mar 2018 17:26

Eastern Airways operate two Embraer 170.

kcockayne 26th Mar 2018 18:29


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10097849)
Does anyone know if Aurigny's E195 is actually profitable, it seems strange that them along with Eastern Airways UK operate only 1 Embraer as well considering Flybe have 9 of them on very expensive leases.

AUR, as an airline, is not profitable & is bailed out by the Guernsey taxpayer every year. With this in mind, I should think that the E195 is not profitable either. Gatwick - Guernsey is the only regular route that it operates & is their most frequent & important route . So, I would guess from this fact that it is unprofitable. AUR only have 1 E195 because they do not have any other routes which would justify the use of another one, & there is not the demand on the Gatwick route that would justify a second a/c.

cobopete 26th Mar 2018 18:33

No need for another jet.
 
The E195 operates 4 rotations daily to Gatwick and back. It is supplemented by up to 3 ATR72 a day on the route. This gives the required number of seats per day on the route. The Gatwick route makes a profit for Aurigny unlike most of its others to Stansted, East Midlands, Bristol and Manchester from GCI, which are all marginal with pax numbers only justifying an ATR 72. There is no requirement for an additional jet in the fleet as its load factor would be well under 50% most of the time.
PS Not true that Gatwick is only regular route: Man is X2 daily, others are at X1 daily except at very off peak times.

kcockayne 26th Mar 2018 18:57

Just to clarify what I said, Pete; Guernsey - Gatwick is the only regular route that the E195 operates. I think I am correct in that statement.

cobopete 26th Mar 2018 19:30


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10097973)
I was only asking about if the E195 was profitable, Myself I hardly see the need for it they would have been better off to contract out the route to Flybe who have plenty of capacity.

You are correct Kockayne, although the 195 was briefly used on a Saturday service to Barcelona 2 summers back.

It would not be politically possible for the Guernsey government to give the "lifeline" London hub airport route to Gatwick to FlyBE who have proved in the past they are prepared to sell the slots to the highest bidder and leave Guernsey reliant for its international banking visitors to fly from Stansted or other "inferior" airports.

cobopete 26th Mar 2018 19:48


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10098010)
True but Flybe did this to a lot of routes, Newquay to Gatwick which is now paid for by a government grant, Gatwick to Newcastle(axed by Flybe)

Guernsey does not come within UK government jurisdiction so wil never get support or grant.

cobopete 26th Mar 2018 20:45


Originally Posted by airsouthwest (Post 10098060)
I was just saying that, not suggesting thats what Guernsey should do. Anyway as for you saying about the political impact of Flybe operating the service, Aurigny already has done it, before its E195 arrived, it hired in a Flybe E195 to provide cover, so why not instead of buying a brand new one and paying the lease, as well as having to train crew etc, why didn't they do a wet lease with Flybe, saving themselves money? It would have also been beneficial to Flybe who have an overcapacity in E195s both with crew and airframes, a wet lease would have given certainty to the people of Guernsey and would have allowed Flybe to make use of an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting in storage at Exeter or Newquay.

Aurigny obviously calculated that operating an owned aircraft was the most cost effective solution compared with a wet lease with FlyBE; the current aircraft is extremely reliable and gives the Guernsey public all the certainty it needs. Utilisation by FlyBE of its aircraft is not a concern of the Guernsey government.

Geo73 26th Mar 2018 21:36

Being a direct customer Aurigny received a lot of support from Embraer.

If I recall correctly an Embraer employee was based in Guernsey for a number of months.

This would not have happened if they had leased a Flybe aircraft.

Ayline 28th Mar 2018 02:23

In any event is it not the plan for Flybe to phase out their E195s completely. The only sure way to guarantee operations is to have total control of the service. Guernsey has been left high and dry before, BA and more recently KLMuk.

Gurnard 28th Mar 2018 07:39

ATR72 STANSTED INCIDENT
G-COBO operating GR627 STN-GCI declared an emergency after take off yesterday. The fault was a hydraulic issue. After holding in the area, the a/c landed safely but the flight to GCI was cancelled. Details in Hertfordshire Mercury and elsewhere.

virginblue 28th Mar 2018 20:32

Ever since Air UK sold its LHR slots used for a GCI service, with the result of the LHR-GCI service getting axed, Guernsey has been traumatized and worried about a possible loss of its remaining "proper" London service to Gatwick. Therefore they are not exactly in bean-counter mode.

Rivet Joint 7th Apr 2018 14:09

Seems like there is now going to be a lot of competition on the island routes. Waves, air Alderney and Clear Harbour all looking to establish themselves. Does this spell the end of the additional new Dornier? No news about its arrival.


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