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Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10299893)
Just booked flight from BRS to BRU in early November. When I first started looking a couple of weeks ago the flights were showing as being operated on a BM ER4. Now they are showing as being operated by a RJ85. Are BM adding RJ85’s to the fleet or is a new operator, possibly Cityjet taking over the route?. BM currently operate flights from BRU to HAJ, NTE and SXB on behalf of SN. I have checked and all flights to these destinations are now showing as being operated by a RJ85, as is the BM BRU to NUE. Does BM’s lease agreement end at the end of the W18 schedule?. |
I just had a quick search on various dates to the end of the year, and BRS-BRU is showing the BM-marketed and operated flights using the ER145s.
It was a year ago (29OCT17) when BRS-BRU surprisingly switched to being a BM marketed and operated route with an SN Codeshare (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/600014-bmi-regional-3-a.html#post9927670) As part of that discussion, it was suggested it was a temporary change, so maybe that arrangement might be ending, and SN are going to work it directly. That might also explain how BM are finding ER145s to put elsewhere. (NCL-BRU going 3x daily with an ER145 for example). On the other hand it could just be a glitch where someone forgot to update the flight data after a year. The reference to 85s suggests it might be. I'm hoping that that SN will be back as BRS sole Star Alliance airline at some point (or that BM rejoins, however unlikely). At the time of the last change I was disappointed that BRS had fallen off the Star network, not least because there were no miles redemption options. |
Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller
(Post 10300197)
I just had a quick search on various dates to the end of the year, and BRS-BRU is showing the BM-marketed and operated flights using the ER145s.
It was a year ago (29OCT17) when BRS-BRU surprisingly switched to being a BM marketed and operated route with an SN Codeshare (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...ml) As part of that discussion, it was suggested it was a temporary change, so maybe that arrangement might be ending, and SN are going to work it directly. That might also explain how BM are finding ER145s to put elsewhere. (NCL-BRU going 3x daily with an ER145 for example). On the other hand it could just be a glitch where someone forgot to update the flight data after a year. The reference to 85s suggests it might be. I'm hoping that that SN will be back as BRS sole Star Alliance airline at some point (or that BM rejoins, however unlikely). At the time of the last change I was disappointed that BRS had fallen off the Star network, not least because there were no miles redemption options. |
If I go out to 31MAR19, I can see it reverting to SN operated with the RJ85, but I'm still not sure if that's intended or just a placeholder (end of the current agreement with BM?). The switch to BM happened with very short notice.
The flight details are showing an RJ85, but not an operating airline. I would expect it to show someone like Cityjet, unless SN are bringing RJ85s back into their fleet? |
Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller
(Post 10300204)
If I go out to 31MAR19, I can see it reverting to SN operated with the RJ85, but I'm still not sure if that's intended or just a placeholder (end of the current agreement with BM?). The switch to BM happened with very short notice.
The flight details are showing an RJ85, but not an operating airline. I would expect it to show someone like Cityjet, unless SN are bringing RJ85s back into their fleet? |
Originally Posted by Fly757X
(Post 10300353)
There seems to be a lack of certainty about when Cityjet will swap out the SSJ100s for other types. All that's been said is "Soon".
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According to a poster on another aviation website who is usually well informed about BRS matters, a CityJetRJ85 will take over BRS-BRU for Brussels Airlines from 1 April next year. It will operate a similar schedule to the current one and the aircraft will overnight at BRS each night except Saturdays.
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Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
(Post 10300401)
According to a poster on another aviation website who is usually well informed about BRS matters, a CityJetRJ85 will take over BRS-BRU for Brussels Airlines from 1 April next year. It will operate a similar schedule to the current one and the aircraft will overnight at BRS each night except Saturdays.
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Originally Posted by Rumour_Jay
(Post 10300623)
I wonder why this would be? BM/SN on BM metal have been operating this route for a long time now...
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Has the BRS-MXP been dropped all together as it is not available to book next summer?. |
BRS > MXP has ceased.
Why isn't EZY on this route?! |
Originally Posted by fanrailuk
(Post 10300944)
BRS > MXP has ceased.
Why isn't EZY on this route?! |
The BRU situation is odd, for a number of reasons.
Is Brussels bringing an RJ85 back into fleet, or using a different operator under a wetlease arrangement? If that's the case, why isn't there a wetlease operator showing on those flights? Or is the RJ85 just a placeholder for 'some other aircraft'. Why did SN transfer *operation* of the route to BM? It's a BM route these days, codesharing back to SN. Why take it back again? Or have BM given it back? I can maybe understand a a capacity issue driving the change, but the load factors to BRU aren't dangerously overcrowded. And surely an RJ85 is less efficient on a seat cost per kilometre basis than an Emby? It looks like change is coming, and I'll be glad if SN come back to operating (for all the Star Alliance reasons), but I'm not sure it means an RJ85 is coming to the route. I could be wrong. Also in the mix - SN and EW (Eurowings) are meant to be '''aligning" on European flight operations, with a strong inference from LH that they'll continue their policy of moving intra-European (non-hub) flying to Eurowings or similar low-cost operation. It's not clear yet if they see BRU as a hub on a par with FRA/MUC/ZRH/VIE. |
Well as an outsider i can only assume that bmi lost their contract with SN. And somehow it makes sense. With the Brexit coming up, would you as SN, continue with a UK company that might not be able anymore to do domestic flights in the continent?? I would rather choose for a european company who is allowed to do so instead of giving me problems. Somehow very strange because the brs-bru was a bmi route. Perhaps they had to drop that under pressure because SN wanting doing these flights again with bigger aircraft. Bmi would be unable to compete with that. |
Originally Posted by dboy
(Post 10301248)
Well as an outsider i can only assume that bmi lost their contract with SN. And somehow it makes sense. With the Brexit coming up, would you as SN, continue with a UK company that might not be able anymore to do domestic flights in the continent?? I would rather choose for a european company who is allowed to do so instead of giving me problems. Somehow very strange because the brs-bru was a bmi route. Perhaps they had to drop that under pressure because SN wanting doing these flights again with bigger aircraft. Bmi would be unable to compete with that. |
BMR6KZ/BM1507 Returned to LDY with crew reporting a fuel smell and smoke in the cabin.
Cheers to SpeedbirdATC who brought this up elsewhere. :) |
Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller
(Post 10301175)
The BRU situation is odd, for a number of reasons.
Is Brussels bringing an RJ85 back into fleet, or using a different operator under a wetlease arrangement? If that's the case, why isn't there a wetlease operator showing on those flights? Or is the RJ85 just a placeholder for 'some other aircraft'. |
So bmi must have lost the SN contracts. |
Originally Posted by Cyrano
(Post 10302081)
I'm looking at the BRS-BRU SN schedule for Summer 2019 on ch-aviation and it is clearly listing aircraft type RJ85 and operator WX.
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
(Post 10302524)
2 + 2 = 5....or maybe 6
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Originally Posted by dboy
(Post 10302203)
So bmi must have lost the SN contracts. If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair. |
RJs are returning in the short term - SSJs gone by March of course
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That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.
I was on BRS-BRU evening flight recently and it was 45/48 pax, so almost fully loaded.. I guess if SN are going to go in the EW direction, that means consistently offering easyJet level fares, and that does mean having lower cost per passenger seat kilometer, and I guess more inventory. That could be the change driver.(although still not sure that the RJ is lower cost per seat than the Emby, but I could be wrong). It does also give real-life data point to BM's consistent claims to be looking at larger aircraft but it never quite materialising. If they couldn't justify a larger aircraft in this situation, I'd be surprised if it is going to be driven by other routes. |
Originally Posted by Bristol_Traveller
(Post 10303258)
That's a remarkable situation for SN to be in - to wind back fleet after such a big event of retiring the RJs.
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BM’s ER3 G-RJXP doesn’t seem to have operated a flight for about 6 weeks now. Anyone know if the aircraft has been WFU?.
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10303436)
BM’s ER3 G-RJXP doesn’t seem to have operated a flight for about 6 weeks now. Anyone know if the aircraft has been WFU?.
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Originally Posted by caaardiff
(Post 10302621)
The only contract to be lost would be SN codesharing on BMI's flights. The "contract" or wet lease was ended last year when BM took on the route themselves and SN sold the flight as a codeshare. A number of benefits were then lost to customers as it was under BM's terms. This could well have resulted in a loss of demand on the route which SN want to recover. Also WX are using SSJ's for SN which SN really aren't happy with. It could be that the RJ's are returning to replace the SSJ and there's been a shuffle in where these aircraft are to be used.
If demand on the route did drop, it may be a mutual decision, given that BM have transferred some aircraft the Loganair. |
Originally Posted by Rumour_Jay
(Post 10303527)
BM also fly wet lease SN on other routes though. Last I checked BRU-SXB, BRU-HAJ, BRU-TRN.
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RJs are returning in the short term - SSJs gone by March of course |
BMI using a RJ85 G-JOTR from Jota for LDY-STN-LDY today.
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Originally Posted by scodaman
(Post 10303738)
BMI using a RJ85 G-JOTR from Jota for LDY-STN-LDY today.
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
(Post 10303444)
Maintainence in Lisbon. MH |
Originally Posted by Morrihell
(Post 10303912)
Maintenance in Alverca....not Lisbon.
MH |
Just to put a little more oil on the SN RJ-85 discussion, GDS is now showing the SN operating flight as AR8, and the BM codeshare as operated by an A320.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8c429e6381.png So which do you believe? |
Originally Posted by Fly757X
(Post 10303917)
Cheers 👍🏽 Never knew it was even an airfield, will read up on it now! There are several airfields around the periphery of Lisbon; Cascais, Sintra, Alenquer and Montijo in addition to Portela (Humberto Delgado) the main airport. Landing at Lisbon from the south is one of my favourite approaches at any European capital |
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi |
Originally Posted by scodaman
(Post 10312346)
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi |
Originally Posted by Fly757X
(Post 10312352)
A/C is tech, another frame will position in tomorrow morning with the early rotation also affected.
no new frame, XG now running 3.5hrs late |
Five hours late now. They must be burning through their PSO money by blowing it all on compensation/hotels etc. The negative publicity in the NW isn’t helping them. The worst thing was a friend of mine was travelling on last night’s LDY-STN. All was apparently well up to half an hour before scheduled departure. Clearly they found a tech issue very last minute. Which is galling as the plane had been on the ground for the previous eight hours. |
Originally Posted by scodaman
(Post 10312346)
The cancellations on the PSO tax payer funded route LDY-STN-LDY service are happening far too often and are bordering on farcical.
Tonight's LDY-STN-LDY service was cancelled again. The pricing on the route is very high as it stands when compared to Belfast and cancellations do nothing for the reputation of Flybmi |
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