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RW20 23rd Oct 2018 18:28

Planespeaking
A very valid point,SOU should have moved forward when they published there 2005 master plan,but as usual nothing materialised,and so have they left it to late?
There's no guarantee that they will get planning permission,and the timescale might be academic if Flybe go under.I would say that the next few months will be critical to SOU future.

stewyb 23rd Oct 2018 19:15

Honestly, there are some bed wetters on this forum!!

TCAS FAN 23rd Oct 2018 19:48

RW20/Planespeaking

From what I recollect of the 2005 Masterplan it was focussed on the insane intent to build a second Terminal Building in the northeast corner with no mention of runway extension. The current airport operator has at last apparently recognised that business development is not going to be possible catering for 70 seat turboprops.

shamrock7seal 31st Oct 2018 13:03

Bournemouth passenger statistics:

August 2018 80,517 down 6%
September 2018 76,101 down 3%
Rolling 12-months 672,000 down 3.4%

Not terrible results - the decrease is a result of less peak 'additional' flights by FR and some strike related cancelations.

Southampton seeming to be in a lot more trouble with August falling by 9% and September 6%.

Interestingly Doncaster Sheffield (where our new CEO has come from) was showing falls of 11% in August.

Exeter continues to do well growing 2% in August and 3% in September and with new double daily services to CDG and AMS this winter and 6 new routes next summer should be well ahead of BOH performance most likely breaking through 1m pax in 2019.

Dropoffcharge 31st Oct 2018 13:35

CDG + AMS
 
Unless BOH plan to go longer haul and direct in the future, they themselves badly need the likes of CDG and AMS as hub routes just like Exeter.

Nakata77 31st Oct 2018 13:53

If you look in more detail BOH-PMI did very well in September 2018 with just shy of 18,000 pax handled. Massive volumes for a single route and beat CWL-PMI.

Re CDG & AMS, I think an LCC serving these destinations a few times a week would suffice given the services from SOU-AMS. I think where BOH could excel could be on routes like Doha, Abu Dhabi & perhaps Istanbul for global connections.

MARKEYD 31st Oct 2018 16:42

Following on from the August / Sept passenger figures , they were all down indeed to Ryanair only , not operating any extra flights in those months to Faro , Malaga and Las Palmas which made a big difference to the figures
All down to no extra aircraft available

Those flights that did operate saw high load factors as usual except the TUI " Corfu " route for some resaon which was down a bit .
Palma as already mentioned saw a wopping 18 , 000 passengers use it , just proves the demand is there

Still no sign of Ryanair continuing the Paphos route passed April at the moment , the first flight out last week went full . A gap still exists on Saturday morning though , which no doubt will be filled soon

Titan Airways are much in evidence this winter operating a lot of Santa flights in December and have also bagged the contract to operate for Hurtigruten tours to Bergen with 3 flights operating in place of Germania

Finally great to see the first BA 747 at BOH in for maintenance for a few weeks with " Gama " ( G-CIVX was seriously damaged at JFK recently in a ground accident and is being looked at here )

Captain Cargo 1st Nov 2018 14:51

I wonder if anyone can help please.

Ryanair still show Murcia flight operating, and taking bookings, to San Javier MJV even for flights after it's closure on the 15th January when flights transfer the new Murcia International Airport (Corvera) RMU.

Wednesday the 30 October was the deadline for winter flightslot requests from airlines to be finalised, yet nothing has been published from Ryanair.

Has anyone heard anything about this and does missing the flightslots deadline mean that Ryanair are now unable to fly to Murcia?

MARKEYD 5th Nov 2018 11:52

Ryanair have added another flight throughout the summer to Palma on a Thursday taking the route to 7 a week plus 4 flights a week from TUI

This year the only extra flights to Palma were in Aug / Sept

Thats now 7 extra flights for next summer with Ryanair , quite considerable growth from them

Noticed that Liverpool now have Paphos on sale from April with 1 flight a week using a based LPL aircraft so fingers crossed this happens from BOH on the vacant Sat am slot as well

Good to see a first visit of a TUI 787 900 series on the inbound charter from Barbados at the weekend

Dropoffcharge 6th Nov 2018 09:00

Certainly all seems to be heading in the right direction, as mentioned, filling the Sat am slot would be a further improvement. Anyone know if is any strength behind the rumour of a jet2 announcement in Jan 19 for a 2020 base?

Falcon666 6th Nov 2018 09:47


Originally Posted by Captain Cargo (Post 10298926)
I wonder if anyone can help please.

Ryanair still show Murcia flight operating, and taking bookings, to San Javier MJV even for flights after it's closure on the 15th January when flights transfer the new Murcia International Airport (Corvera) RMU.

Wednesday the 30 October was the deadline for winter flightslot requests from airlines to be finalised, yet nothing has been published from Ryanair.

Has anyone heard anything about this and does missing the flightslots deadline mean that Ryanair are now unable to fly to Murcia?

https://murciatoday.com/favourable-e..._706904-a.html

Might be an idea to follow this link if you haven’t already.

Captain Cargo 6th Nov 2018 12:02

Thanks Falcon666. I do keep in touch through all the reports here in Murcia, but nothing had been confirmed by Aena or Ryanair,

shamrock7seal 7th Nov 2018 03:06

MARKEYD the additional FR Palma flight is actually 1st June to 26th September not the full summer schedule season of April-October. Granted it's an increase but only of two months. I would prefer to see them adding an additional Palma flight on Sunday to make the service daily.

Nakata77 8th Nov 2018 06:16

Ryanair seem to have loaded the BOH-PFO flights for S19 as follows:

Tuesdays DEP PFO 13:55 ARR BOH 16:40 // DEP BOH 17:05 ARR PFO 23:50
Saturdays DEP BOH 06:30 ARR PFO 13:15 // DEP PFO 13:40 ARR BOH 16:25

Tuesday uses a Paphos based aircraft, Saturday fills the 'gap' that existed on the BOH based aircraft

Sharklet_321 8th Nov 2018 06:43

Excellent news!

Also to 'shamrock7seal' above: Ryanair have read your post and added a Sunday Palma service using a Palma based plane (!) for the same period as the extra Thursday flight so now 8 flights per week to and from Palma with Ryanair Jun to Sept.

MARKEYD 8th Nov 2018 06:50

Ryanair have indeed added an extra Palma flight on Sunday now making the service daily

This now takes Palma to 8 flghts a week and TUI 4 flights a week , 12 in total

At the moment as it stands Bournemouth has an additional 13 flights a week from next summer and 6 new or reintroduced destinations

TUI have launched there winter and summer programme today , as it looks there are no new destinations at the moment just a carbon copy of next summer , although the Paphos service continues throughout the winter now , with just a short break in January for 6 weeks

Nothing to worry about as I am sure if 2019 sell well then new destinations could be added

All moving in the right direction

FrequentlyFlying 8th Nov 2018 07:36

Real growth, expansion of routes and new/re-introduced destinations.

As a regular user of BOH, my perception is there has been a change to a larger uptake of the inflight sales / drinks etc on FR flights - used to be just a few years back, foil wrapped rolls appearing from bags with a shared bottle of water immediately after take off, now the tea trolley takes a bloody age to get to me :)

Be interesting to know if this is a reality - inflight sales increases on top of the ‘optional’ pre flight extra sales on BOH flights.

The demographic changes in Bournemputh have been huge - decreasing population age - one of only a handful in country - universities becoming massive - that maybe that change from blue rinse flights to a lower average age is brining changes ... any insiders be interesting to know if I’m just drinking too much caffeine or the routes look to be generating more for FR?

shamrock7seal 8th Nov 2018 09:28

If no other additions for 2019 then the airport could be looking at around 815,000 passengers for the full year, a nice increase on 2018.

FrequentlyFlying 14th Nov 2018 18:32

Any ideas ?
 
anyone know what the A330-34 was doing flying so low over my house in Bournemouth? EC LXA EVE072P - it was bloody noisy and low - followed it as thought it really odd as we generally don’t have anything flying that low apart from airshow as we are not on the landing run. Looked it up said 2000 feet so probably just it was larger jet but it stayed at that height and swung round the new forest.? Looked up say a it’s Evelop!! Air https://www.evelop.com/

possibleconsequences 15th Nov 2018 09:37

As you say.it's a matter of perspective


shamrock7seal 15th Nov 2018 11:42

FrequentlyFlying: it was a charter flight that positioned in from Lisbon but details in terms of where it went and how many pax perhaps someone else could share more info?

canberra97 15th Nov 2018 22:34


Originally Posted by possibleconsequences (Post 10311856)
As you say.it's a matter of perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4XFUc6175k

Did you have to post a video of what has to be one of the worst ''so called'' comedies ever to air on television!

Now I'm taking a wild guess that you also enjoy the equally hideous ''Mrs Browns Boys'' :-)

pug 15th Nov 2018 22:40

Maybe off topic. But quite how ‘canberra97’ can compare the excellent Father Ted, to the atrocious ‘Mrs Browns Boys’ is beyond me.

On topic: BOH appears to be doing very well for a small regional airport, long may it continue. Still not sure where the jef2 rumours came from.

FrequentlyFlying 16th Nov 2018 08:04

To Channel Isles now from BOH airport on FB
 
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4d9aca16f0.png

adfly 16th Nov 2018 08:41

Channel Islands
 
Good find! Jersey looks to be Mon/Fri/Sat and Guernsey Sat only, both operated by an E135. Presumably w patterns off the existing NWI/GLA/EDI flights.

Dropoffcharge 16th Nov 2018 08:57

Great news this, pure coincidence, what with the current flybe issues, or more to it?? Maybe more announcements of possible routes to the likes of EDI, GLA and ABZ in the future perhaps??

shamrock7seal 16th Nov 2018 08:58

Embraer jets will be a welcome alternative to the turboprops at Southampton

SWBKCB 16th Nov 2018 09:13


Great news this, pure coincidence, what with the current flybe issues, or more to it?? Maybe more announcements of possible routes to the likes of EDI, GLA and ABZ in the future perhaps??
Rather than being a strategic move against BE, I think this is more a tactical move to fill up the schedule of the new jets

Sharklet_321 16th Nov 2018 09:29

Bournemouth seems to be on a roll right now. Rigby are starting to prove themselves.

Southampton will most likely double down to try and secure some kind of LCC operation with all this news and the uncertainty of Flybe.

MARKEYD 16th Nov 2018 14:24

Great news to get Jersey back again and to have Guernsey which hasn’t been operated since Dan Air / JEA days !!

Its definitely the right sized aircraft for the route , Flybe had loads around 40/45 so with some good marketing ( already got Jersey travel service selling hotels and flights ) it should work

This will take the number of new destinations or reinstated services next year to 8 , incredible going in such a short space of time

Well done Rigby group

possibleconsequences 16th Nov 2018 15:05

Pug.. i concur entirely about the comedy.

Great news about the flights too

Jerbourg 16th Nov 2018 17:27

[QUOTE=MARKEYD;10312900]
Great news to get Jersey back again and to have Guernsey which hasn’t been operated since Dan Air / JEA days !!

(/QUOTE]

Blue Islands used to op Jetstreams on the GCI/BOH route...

jetstream7 16th Nov 2018 18:35


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10311962)
FrequentlyFlying: it was a charter flight that positioned in from Lisbon but details in terms of where it went and how many pax perhaps someone else could share more info?

Left Bournemouth to Islamabad as E9573, before heading back to the UK (Gatwick) via Baku as E9574, then positioning to Madrid as EVE075P.

canberra97 16th Nov 2018 21:30


Originally Posted by pug (Post 10312413)
Maybe off topic. But quite how ‘canberra97’ can compare the excellent Father Ted, to the atrocious ‘Mrs Browns Boys’ is beyond me.

On topic: BOH appears to be doing very well for a small regional airport, long may it continue. Still not sure where the jef2 rumours came from.

Might be off topic but there is a comparison as the same production company are involved in both of those atrocious programmes, and the use of ''excellent'' in reference to Father Ted, I think not as it's just as atrocious and painful to watch as the other example!

Back on topic

Good news regarding Loganair and Bournemouth although it's not going to have much of an impact to the current Blue Islands schedule at SOU especially as it's only a very limited summer schedule using aircraft on a W pattern from the Channel Islands but nonetheless a great addition to the network profile from Bournemouth.

Blakedean 17th Nov 2018 19:34


Originally Posted by canberra97 (Post 10313231)


Might be off topic but there is a comparison as the same production company are involved in both of those atrocious programmes, and the use of ''excellent'' in reference to Father Ted, I think not as it's just as atrocious and painful to watch as the other example!

Back on topic

Good news regarding Loganair and Bournemouth although it's not going to have much of an impact to the current Blue Islands schedule at SOU especially as it's only a very limited summer schedule using aircraft on a W pattern from the Channel Islands but nonetheless a great addition to the network profile from Bournemouth.

Next you’ll be saying Keith Lemon is a comedy genius.....

shamrock7seal 18th Nov 2018 03:16

Despite all the rumours about TUI adding additional aircraft for S20 including new 787 services nothing has been announced. However EXT has announced a new W19 service and DSA has announced a new S20 787 service already.

canberra97 18th Nov 2018 04:54


Originally Posted by Blakedean (Post 10313856)

Next you’ll be saying Keith Lemon is a comedy genius.....

Absolutely not he is totally hideous and not funny in the slightest.

To quote you when you say ''Next you'll be saying''.....I haven't said anything other than my total dislike for the programmes that I have already mentioned.

With suggestions like that your coming across as the comedian and not a very good one at that.

But in saying that and your determination to continue this conversation isn't the phrase ''going off topic'' relevant in this case!

rog747 18th Nov 2018 07:00


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10313977)
Despite all the rumours about TUI adding additional aircraft for S20 including new 787 services nothing has been announced. However EXT has announced a new W19 service and DSA has announced a new S20 787 service already.

The only TUI long haul from BOH are the few cruise ship charters on P&O for Hays Travel (1 or 2 a year) - certainly up to end 2020
They were planning a Xmas shopping 4 night package to NYC but with the dire £ v $ exchange rate that was canned.
Hays have not got the stomach to try things like Palmair/Bath Travel once successfully did in the past such as the day trips to Cairo Rome and Prague (These trips pretty much sold out as soon as they became on sale)
A few summers ago Hays did some package holiday and Cunard cruise charters from BOH to PMI VCE and BCN using BA Cityflyer and Titan but lack of advertising saw them not selling well - never to be repeated

BOH is not going to see TUI 787 short haul ops -

more flights from regions for some TUI packages have been given over to 3rd party airlines such as Freebird Air Europa Norwegian Volotea and Alba Star

FrequentlyFlying 18th Nov 2018 07:58

Given the current climate of uncertainty and exchange fluctuations/risks Rigby are clearly doing something right in their relationship with FR or the yields have been improving for them to retry or reopen routes and long may it continue, well done to all concerned. Maybe TUI are just not in the place to expand as thought atm, the Jet2 ‘story’ is the only real unevent and that isn’t Rigbys fault more a whisper being megaphoned on here, am as guilty as anyone for turning hope into belief. Loganair announcement is probably more something to encourage further small announcements and of course keep working FR for some more slow steady growth.
Been a good first year for Rigby!

MARKEYD 18th Nov 2018 13:35

Where has the rumour come from about TUI and extra aircraft for 2020 , bit like the Jet 2 one I think !!

TUI have only put a carbon copy of 2019 on sale or help future bookings and I doubt very much they will add anything to any UK airport until they see how the destinations added to a lot of regional airports fare for next summer first

Egypt sold very well from Exeter a few years ago but not so much from BOH for some reason , and indeed they pulled the programme half way through the winter season as it was that bad for sales

However things do change in booking trends with the public , look at TUI pretty much going full season to Paphos next winter

Hopefully the airport may consider a lounge being added in the not to distant future in the terminal , plenty of space
I would hope though first , Rigby group have a look at the car park and get some gypies in to tarmac the whole lot , dreadful to walk through all that mud , holes and wet grass with your luggage . Better still build a cheap metal multi storey over the winter when it's quiet ( wishful dream I know ! ! )


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