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hoss183 22nd Dec 2017 18:10

Well my flight into BRS now delayed until 18:30 tomorrow.
Thanks EJ for showing it on-time again, after showing delayed, which lured me to the airport. Whats the point of an app on peoples phones if you post the wrong information.
But yes there must be more to this if AAIB want to inspect.... or a massive jobsworth over-reaction...

Good Business Sense 22nd Dec 2017 18:17

Same with roads/motorway accidents etc these days - seems to have started 15-20 years ago ... you know motorways etc being closed for 20+ hours with literally hundreds of thousands, possible on occasions in the Midlands, millions of people being affected.

Tom Cundall 22nd Dec 2017 18:18


Come on, zero wind, no ice or snow. It'll have to be a damn good excuse for me to retract that.
200m vis and possibly a 40 ton aircraft sunk up to the gear door in wet mud? Have you seen how long it takes to shift a lorry stuck in the mud on the side of the road?

Willy Miller 22nd Dec 2017 18:27

From bristol post Twitter feed
 
"Guessing it will be a long time since the front wheel has buckled so it will be very hard for you to move the plane

4:56 PM - Dec 22, 2017"

The Ancient Geek 22nd Dec 2017 18:34

A bit of perspective - A lot of people are working their backsides off getting passengers bussed to EMA, CFW and others to meet their diverted incoming flights and get away a few hours late. Everyone is working hard to minimise disruption but capacity is limited on one of the busiest days of the year.

Getting the aircraft out of the mud is probably going to need airbags and other specialist kit which will need to be trucked in from somewhere else, it is going to take time to sort out.

Sods law [1] applies, it had to happen on the worst possible day.

[1] Murphy was an optimist.

Wee Weasley Welshman 22nd Dec 2017 18:40

http://a68.tinypic.com/zxuuf7.jpg

The whole aircraft is several meters off the runway.

WWW

gearlever 22nd Dec 2017 18:41

Bristol = Middle of the world:*

RVR800 22nd Dec 2017 18:51

Jumping to conclusions
 
All this pontification...
It may be prudent to let AAIB do their work. It's likely we don't know the full picture.

jackharr 22nd Dec 2017 18:57

I hope they release the Cockpit Voice Recorder in due course.

You are allowed one guess as to the xxxx word in: "Oh xxxx".

Spare a thought for the pilots. It might be more than just Christmas that is disrupted for them.

Jack

Above The Clouds 22nd Dec 2017 18:58

The runway will be closed to further traffic because of the fog and therefore LVP's are in force, with the aircraft having only just vacated the runway its most likely still within the ILS Cat II protected area.

Had it happened with better weather conditions and a safe margin existed for departing aircraft I am sure ATC would have continued airport ops once everything was deemed safe.

Only my best guess but lets give everyone the benefit of doubt, at least its not a major incident/accident only a few delays.

1066 22nd Dec 2017 19:04

WWW
Thanks for the photo. First one we've seen.
Is it off the end having failed to make a complete 90 turn to vacate 27?
Caught out on the rollout by the lowering vis going up the hill to the 09 threshold?
DR had a similar problem some years ago but kept it on the harder stopway. Much easier to recover.
1066

manrow 22nd Dec 2017 19:06


Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 9998617)
Bristol = Middle of the world:*

Absolutely right gearlever!

And the airfield being owned by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan does not suggest there is a competent management in place to organise things for an event like this.

This is not the first time that Bristol Airport has been found lacking in terms of appropriate equipment to keep an airfield open for the level of aircraft movements now being seen daily.

Helen49 22nd Dec 2017 19:40

It is sad, indeed pathetic to read so many whinging comments on this accident. Notwithstanding the inconvenience caused to so many, it is not the ‘jobsworths’ causing the problems but the practicalities associated with accidents such as this and which lay people have little or no knowledge.

It may appear to be ‘simple taxying’ accident but the AAIB need to establish the cause, including the root causes which may be myriad.

Removing an aircraft from unpaved surfaces, whilst causing minimum damage to the aircraft, is not a simple task and requires specialist equipment and personnel not normally available at regional airports and maybe not even available locally.

Aviation is so safe in 2017 only because it has learned from thorough investigation of accidents in the past. As seasoned professionals, the AAIB [who probably also wish to be at home on a Christmas Friday] will only have refused to allow movement of the aircraft for a good reason.

Similarly the Bristol Airport Authority will have no wish to cause inconvenience to their customers.

H49

beamer 22nd Dec 2017 19:53

I am cheerfully reminded of George Kennedy in the first Airport movie - stick a cigar in your mouth and gun it out !

FlyingApe 22nd Dec 2017 20:02

Well said Helen49.

No one on here has a clue as to the exact nature of the incident, cause or anything else. Then hoss183 rocks up with his "Dolt" comment. Wow. He must he an expert in accident investigation. I certainly hope he's not a pilot, with CRM skills like that !

Makes you wander who the "Dolt" actually is. No ?

Lets just be thankful no one was injured.

moosepig 22nd Dec 2017 20:04

Now 2300 earliest reopening.

MerchantVenturer 22nd Dec 2017 20:14

Note on BRS website now saying runway won't re-open until 2300 at the earliest, meaning the runway will have been shut for nearly 12 hours, assuming it opens at 2300 which is the latest 'guestimate'.

Not unreasonably, there are many people asking why it's taking so long.

barry lloyd 22nd Dec 2017 20:26


Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek (Post 9998613)
A bit of perspective - A lot of people are working their backsides off getting passengers bussed to EMA, CFW and others to meet their diverted incoming flights and get away a few hours late. Everyone is working hard to minimise disruption but capacity is limited on one of the busiest days of the year.

Getting the aircraft out of the mud is probably going to need airbags and other specialist kit which will need to be trucked in from somewhere else, it is going to take time to sort out.

Sods law [1] applies, it had to happen on the worst possible day.

[1] Murphy was an optimist.

While we are on the subject of accuracy, the code CFW does not exist. If you meant Cardiff, it's CWL.

Bristol_Traveller 22nd Dec 2017 21:36

I saw a still from ITV WestCountry Tonight, and it appears the aircraft has completely left the taxiway, and is substantially into the grassed area - all the wheels are on the grass, and I assume it's sinking down moderately quickly, which is going to make "pulling" it out awkward.

If it's as far into the grass as it appears from the still image, then it didn't just slide off the edge at low speed.

Bristol_Traveller 22nd Dec 2017 22:21

Still not accepting flights at 23:20.

TUI have held over CWL for about 40 minutes but diverted to BHX. FR and KL still flying tight circles over the airfield, but have been for 20 minutes or so now.

The Ancient Geek 22nd Dec 2017 22:25

Ooops - a tyop.
KLM1057, RYR86YB and TUI245 currently circling over head so it looks like they could be opening soon.

paperHanger 22nd Dec 2017 22:56

Surely the reason for this departure from the tarmac is obvious?

The new generation of pilots is very good at following a magenta line ... but not a yellow one ;)

Bristol_Traveller 22nd Dec 2017 23:01

KL1057 was the first aircraft to land, just after 00:00 on Saturday morning.

It'll be a tough recovery over the weekend particularly for Easyjet, who must have aircraft and crew all over the place, and a huge number of displaced passengers.

The Ancient Geek 22nd Dec 2017 23:06

KLM1057 landed just before midnight with RYR86YB close behind and RYR88GE a few miles out.

Falcon666 22nd Dec 2017 23:18

Several EasyJet's are repositioning as I write from BHX so delays tomorrow might not be as bad as you think

Pitchpoller 22nd Dec 2017 23:20


the airfield being owned by the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan does not suggest there is a competent management in place to organise things for an event like this.
They could at least invest in some Canadianly polite signage, such as: "Please keep off the grass, eh".

oceancrosser 22nd Dec 2017 23:46

Any ERJ145s in this position should be removed by a bulldozer. Awful things to fly in...

Bristol_Traveller 23rd Dec 2017 00:03

There seems to be a flotilla of EZY aircraft moving in at the moment from EXT / STN / BHX, plus EDI arrived in late. I think I've counted 11 in, and it looks like they need 13 off tomorrow morning. It looks like there might be three frames at BOH (OE-IJG, G-EZBU, G-EZUK).

Still a lot of displaced pax from Friday to deal with today though.

Wee Weasley Welshman 23rd Dec 2017 05:36

That was no taxi incident after landing.

WWW

crewmeal 23rd Dec 2017 06:00

I've said it time and time again BRS should have been at Filton not the farm where it is now.

fireflybob 23rd Dec 2017 06:37


While we are on the subject of accuracy, the code CFW does not exist
Not in IATA code but it's actually Cardiff Train Station so fairly close!

Harry Wayfarers 23rd Dec 2017 07:27

Any pics of the offending Embraer Pocket Rocket?

hoss183 23rd Dec 2017 08:03


Originally Posted by crewmeal (Post 9999039)
I've said it time and time again BRS should have been at Filton not the farm where it is now.

With you on that, a ridiculous state of affairs developing an airport on a foggy hill thats hard to get to by road, when a longer runway was up for grabs next to the M4/M5 interchange.

Heathrow Harry 23rd Dec 2017 08:09

But much more convenient for the builders of shops and houses and Business Parks -

Filton also would have had noise issues

Heathrow Harry 23rd Dec 2017 08:10

Bristol Airport @BristolAirport Following the earlier incident, the aircraft has now been moved and the airport is now open and fully operational. We are working with the airlines to resume the flight schedule as soon as possible but ongoing knock-on delays to flights may be experienced over the weekend.

https://www.bristolairport.co.uk/arr...res/departures

Shows steady stream of departures with few cancellations

TheOddOne 23rd Dec 2017 08:13


With you on that, a ridiculous state of affairs developing an airport on a foggy hill thats hard to get to by road, when a longer runway was up for grabs next to the M4/M5 interchange.
Agreed. I've been told that the reason that Filton wasn't selected was because there was a corner of a hangar that would have infringed the ILS and the owners refused to knock it down - something to do with the Brabazon having been built in it. Just one of any number of scandals that should have been sorted out by a forward-looking government, which was lacking at the time. Now it's too late, so we have to work with what we've got. Similar to the vacillation over expansion at London Airport.

manrow 23rd Dec 2017 08:17


Originally Posted by hoss183 (Post 9999112)
With you on that, a ridiculous state of affairs developing an airport on a foggy hill that's hard to get to by road, when a longer runway was up for grabs next to the M4/M5 interchange.

I agree, it also has a rail line running through, but you need to blame the residents of Chipping Sodbury who waged a vigorous campaign years ago, to prevent Filton obtaining planning permission for change of use to a civil airport. They knew the airport was there when they bought their houses etc. etc.

Heathrow Harry 23rd Dec 2017 08:26

Yeah but it wasn't going to be a major domestic airport - it was a company facility....

Heathrow Harry 23rd Dec 2017 08:27

https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...-runway-2.html

post 29 shows it well off the tarmac and dug in......

ExXB 23rd Dec 2017 08:50

It’s about time the CAA began enforcing the “rerouting and care” provisions of Regulation 261. Passengers need a lot more than an offer of a refund when this type of **** happens. It’s a cost of doing business, if you don’t like it just go and invest in bitcoin, or something equally safe.

Shambles, nothing but a shambles.


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