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MCDU2 5th Sep 2020 19:53

Lets not mention the ASL 737 in BHD though.....

Alteagod 6th Sep 2020 13:54

It wasn't great but not the worst idea.

CabinCrewe 6th Sep 2020 19:29

Unlikely, but could IAG show any interest given that a lot of the EI regional routes are DUB feeders? Terrible timing though.

southside bobby 29th Sep 2020 05:37

independent.ie reporting EIN regional ops have now gone out to tender.

LTNman 3rd Oct 2020 05:14


Stobart Air is operating below the scenarios set out at the time of the capital raise due to the continued quarantine arrangements in Ireland, with limited flights operating," it noted in its trading update.

https://www.independent.ie/business/...-39580887.html


Buster the Bear 3rd Oct 2020 21:30


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10894585)
independent.ie reporting EIN regional ops have now gone out to tender.

I bet Cityflier bid...........

southside bobby 4th Oct 2020 08:57

In many ways that notion makes a lot of sense with perhaps the capacity of the EMB being the largest drawback.

RJ100 4th Oct 2020 10:53


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10897785)
I bet Cityflier bid...........

I very much doubt it. CF management do not have the capacity to think outside the box. Under the current manager they have no desire to operate anything other than the LCY operation. The current leadership team withdrew CF from the regional summer flying program before we’d even heard of COVID-19. That summer flying boosted CF revenue by millions per year.

southside bobby 4th Oct 2020 11:33

IAG Board/management v CFE management one wonders who is ultimately the stronger then?

TOM100 4th Oct 2020 11:40

Are the management that poor that they would withdraw if it was profitable flying ? Revenue doesn’t necessarily equate to profit.

TartinTon 4th Oct 2020 12:14

RJ100

I'm sure it did but I'm assuming that the additional positioning in/out costs every week weren't insignificant....

southside bobby 4th Oct 2020 13:35

The question was...
In the event would the CFE management be capable of withstanding pressure & direction from the IAG Board if it was thought a benefit & strength to the Group to have a feeder op inhouse.
Appears it could make sense in the new extraordinary world, the one drawback being the capacity of the Embraers.


southside bobby 22nd Oct 2020 15:25

Conor McCarthy founder of Dublin Aerospace & an ex non-executive Chairman of Stobart Air has reportedly entered the race for the EIN Regional contract.

southside bobby 29th Oct 2020 11:55

Stobart Group looking to a name change evidently.

Buster the Bear 1st Nov 2020 17:57

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...-irish-carrier

airbourne 6th Nov 2020 06:48

Nobody was interested in the regional routes or PSO a few years back. In comes Arran/Stobart and they do a decent product and now everybody wants a sniff at it.

I think the incumbant has this in the bag!

Albert Hall 6th Nov 2020 07:32

That sounds as overly-optimistic as a Trump supporter saying the same thing.

Rumour has it that there are six bidders involved. Stobart will be one and this paper airline must be the second. With another four out there and no names as to who they are, I don't think it would be wise to assume or presume anything.



harriewillem 6th Nov 2020 07:35

This white label or ACMI flying in the regional industry is very very marginal, historic has been and with the current market it wont be a goldmine now... with now even more "bidders" hunting for it the one that "wins" it is the one who is taking the most "commercial" risk themselves meaning spiral rat race to the bottom on price and conditions.

Also I presume, I do not know, but that the contract will be trimmed down... no one is flying at the moment so EI will not ask the historic routes and frequenvies I would say, and what are the fecking unions saying... can imagine they will raise their voice too on "stealing" the work, although EI has no capability themselves.

SWBKCB 6th Nov 2020 07:50


With another four out there and no names as to who they are, I don't think it would be wise to assume or presume anything.
Aren't CityJet one?

JSCL 6th Nov 2020 07:56


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10920021)
Aren't CityJet one?

I'm not so sure on this one personally. The CRJ900 will likely have performance issues out of some of the shorter runways such as BHD in wet conditions and if they're talking about E Jets, then maybe but this would be driving up the operating costs of routes which are efficiently served by props.

I imagine XFly will be after the work with SAS reducing ATR aircraft count. But the reality is, there's such an abundance of readily available 72-600's in the leasing market that it could be anyone's game if they are prepared to take on the fleet type.


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