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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
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Even though Stobart have existing crew at SEN both they and the new aircraft will need to be certified for LCY operations. They can’t just shuttle them down the A13 on a whim. |
This may offer a clue. As of 1 January 2019 the rules are changing in relation to the off balance sheet treatment of aircraft on operating leases of greater than 12 months.
https://www.twobirds.com/en/news/art...erating-leases And I believe that Eastern are no longer operating their E170 and S2000 for BACF ? |
Originally Posted by Tagron
(Post 10298660)
The potential benefits to Stobart from the BACF deal seem clear enough, but what is in it for BACF? They already have a large and expanding fleet of E190s (20+) so one might think it would be easy enough for them to lease extra E190s themselves from Nordic Aviation Capital and just operate them as part of the existing fleet. What can Stobart do better or cheaper than BACF itself ? One answer presumably is crew costs. Thin end of a wedge ?
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Given Stobart are an Irish registered airline, doesn't this mean they need a British AOC with British registered aircraft from March 2019? Do they have this in hand yet?
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Given Stobart are an Irish registered airline, doesn't this mean they need a British AOC with British registered aircraft from March 2019? Do they have this in hand yet? |
I have heard that the first E90 is planned to begin operating for BACF In a couple of weeks time. Does anyone know when the second aircraft is planned to enter service with BACF?. |
I did hear that the second aircraft will be delivered in February 2019 but cannot confirm that as being correct..
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BA Deal..
Excellent news for Stobart, I.e. the BACF ACMI deal. Best of luck to one and all...!
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First E90 will be registered EI-GHJ. Aircraft is ex Virgin Australia aircraft VH-ZPI. The aircraft will begin operating for BACF on 16th November, which is two days earlier than previously announced. During the first week of operation the aircraft is due to operate MON - BA7301/BA7302/BA4455/BA4456/BA7305/BA7306 (LCY-LIN-LCY-RTM-LCY-LIN-LCY) TUE - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY) WED - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY) THU - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY) FRI - BA7301/BA7302/BA4455/BA4456/BA7305/BA7306 (LCY-LIN-LCY-RTM-LCY-LIN-LCY) SAT - BA8491/BA8492/BA4464 (LCY-TXL-LCY-DUB) SUN - BA4467/BA7305/BA7306 (DUB-LCY-LIN-LCY The 2nd aircraft is showing as operating from 31st January. The 2nd aircraft will operate mostly to GVA and FCO. The S19 schedule has yet to be updated to show which flights Stobart aircraft will be operating |
First of the acquired ERJ190`s is a 10 year old example.
Another site suggests marks allocated to this frame as EI-GHK. |
This is a very good move by Stobart and distances themselves somewhat from Flybe who have been the authors of their own demise in many ways.
It would be interesting if Stobart manage to do this with other carriers in the UK; Virgin for example could be good for long-haul feed at Manchester. Does anyone know what BA Cityflyer will do as they will seemingly have a significant amount of capacity to launch new routes or release aircraft for C-checks. |
Originally Posted by Nakata77
(Post 10304252)
This is a very good move by Stobart and distances themselves somewhat from Flybe who have been the authors of their own demise in many ways.
It would be interesting if Stobart manage to do this with other carriers in the UK; Virgin for example could be good for long-haul feed at Manchester. Does anyone know what BA Cityflyer will do as they will seemingly have a significant amount of capacity to launch new routes or release aircraft for C-checks. What it shows is that as an airline Stoabart only see a future as an ACMI airline. |
What it shows is that as an airline Stoabart only see a future as an ACMI airline. Is there any evidence that it is anything other than a straight forward ACMI lease? |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10304267)
.What it shows is that as an airline Stoabart only see a future as an ACMI airline.
I also heard talk yesterday that they are looking at the Embraer E2 for future fleet replacements. |
Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 10304281)
So they don't still operate some 14 ATRs under Aer Lingus Regional branding. I must have missed that. That operation is a franchise deal operated largely at Stobart's financial risk and certainly not as an ACMI provider.
I also heard talk yesterday that they are looking at the Embraer E2 for future fleet replacements. |
True, but the Stobart/Aer Lingus agreement runs until 31st January 2022 and a lot can happen between now and then.
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FlyBe up for sale/merger with Stobart being touted as possible buyer. Don't see how it would be beneficial as Stobart don't have the time or money to turn the business around, just my opinion of course but would love to hear other opinions on the issue. |
I would agree rowly6339
I'm sure the board of stobart are saying things like 'why bother inheriting a whole load of bulls**t when we could in theory do it from scratch ourselves a whole lot cheaper and with less baggage'. |
I think Stobart have more pressing matters at the moment regarding a court case with a certain Mr T than contemplating taking an interest in a failing airline.
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And wasn't the original bid for BE one of the reasons for the falling out? I'd have thought that if Stobart were still interested, the deal would have been done before BE went public.
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