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WOW there are 10 flights a day between the two cities of Glasgow and Manchester, must be a popular route........ !

0630 Loganair
0645 BE/Eastern
0715 Loganair
1000 Loganair
1020 BE/Eastern
1405 Lonanair
1440 BE/Eastern
1705 Loganair
1830 Loganair
1845 BE/Eastern

I would be very surprised if in 6 months you have even half that amount of flights.

This is a member waving contest between the two airlines involved.

Though some of them are timed as new connections.
But yes, it was never anywhere near full with the existing flights, so the landscape will be different in 6 months.
Meanwhile an hourly river boat connection from GLA to city centre planned from next year - nice as it sounds, would like to see all the cases, golf bags, baby buggies and duty free getting loaded on the planned 10 seater. Nice idea, yes? Practical with longevity, probably not.

An hourly river boat from GLA to the City Centre? Are you having a laugh? Would love to see the link where this is promoted.

Thanks billyg - this is right out of the MOL school of free advertising.

This is failed from the start, they will be going up against First Bus (Service 500) and the Stagecoach (X24) both with multiple services per hour.

It may only take 25 mins by boat from city centre to airport, however add a further hour to recover from the effects of passing the Shieldhall sewage plant. Simply horrific....

Its not marketted as the main method and is a novelty route as they freely admit. With 10 seats it potentially wont be difficult to fill if marketted in a fun and novel way

Glasgow breaks million pax in August. 7% increase on 2016. Growth again for DXB and transatlantic flights.

These press releases are increasingly spin. They list several sections which have grown very healthily, but then the overall growth is much less, so presumably other parts are growing very slowly if it all. ? Domestic ? Inclusive tour? It would be interesting to know.

Domestic flights are stagnant at both Edinburgh & Glasgow.

Domestic CAA Stats

EDI Jul 2016 470456
Jul 2017 476250 1% growth

GLA Jul 2016 382952
Jul 2017 381239 >1% decline

So a 10% increase in Intl pax equates to less total increase when combined totals are added to together. I.e. 50,000 increase of 500000 = 550000 a 10% increase of international pax. So if a domestic total which is stagnant is added say 500,000 for 2016 & 2017. The new 1,050,000 or 5% increase overall in 2017 from 2016.

Domestic is stagnant due to increase rail on West & East Coast Mainline.

im surprised the BE LHR flights havent increased domestic growth more noticeably.

The last time I checked GLA and EDI were two different airports.

Just saying.

Both airports are obviously separate but both released figures showing very good results I.e 16% growth on some international routes. This was questioned as spin about Glasgow i.e. if they were losing lots of pax on other routes as overall growth was around 7-8%. I explained is they're both managing to retain their domestic figures (with extremely keen competition from WCML & ECML) but this lowers the gains from Intl traffic so overall the % increase is lower. Both airports show good intl results and stagnant domestic so it was a good comparison.

My original post wasn't really about comparing GLA and EDI. I was wondering whether the growth of scheduled and hybrid (Jet2) services was beginning to impact on TUI and TCX who provide IT flights. I noticed in another airport thread that some IT rotations were being cut next year. EDI doesn't separate IT data (all TOM/TUI). GLA does, that's all.

I understand that, all I was saying was both have a very similar stats huge increases in Intl % but lower overall %. The rumours are that Jet2, FR & U2 have caught the big two charter companies out over pricing. Also the Spanish resorts had a of lot seats dumped into the market. The metal for those seats is getting moved back to Turkey & North Africa as people forget and the fall of the £ against the €.

Glasgow Airport Investment Area - Renfrewshire Website

Do they have tenants for the hangars lined up or is this an aspirational piece? Be a shame if the road is rerouted, it's great for photos since they cut all the trees down.

Will these various road reroutings, new bridge etc enable the displaced threshold on 25 to be removed and thus increase LDA?

It would be good to know why they have a displaced threshold on 25. Is it the river or the road beyond? Is a bridge feasible here?

I always thought, dating from the 60s, that it was to do with a crane on the Clyde but I could be totally wrong.

The Campsies.

Could have been; the Titan crane is still there. I found information on the internet about structures radiused out from runway ends a few years ago when the discussion about a Central Scotland airport was running. It's still on my map and the runway end needed to be 1600 Mtrs from a row of quite high electricity pylons.
The Titan is 2000 Mtrs. from the threshold of 25. I also remember a business in Rothesay Dock having a planning problem over a silo or something they wanted to erect, it was only a few years ago.

From your earlier post Abbotsinch Rd. is only 180 Mtrs. from the runway centreline at the bend approaching the junction between the bridges. This is getting close to the safe distance, which was/is 150mtrs? It is over 200mtrs. at the threshold.

17% increase in GLA-DXB, wonder if thats an error or anomoly from last year.
The April start for the A380 cant come soon enough!

EK
 

CabinCrewe

I must admit I did wonder if the last few months figures were correct as July I think averaged 364 a flight which for a 360 seat service is pretty good.

Obviously the answer was in the aircraft that operated with several 428 seat two class versions operated.

August was not much different 43894 pax average 354 pax or 98% load factor based on the published seat-maps.

FR24 shows eight two class versions operated on EK25/27 giving a total seat availability of 45728 or 96% load factor.

I can't believe any airline would want that to continue as pax must be going elsewhere and simple answer would be to change to two 428 seat aircraft giving 53072 seats and that would give a load factor of 83%.

This of course would wipe out first class and maybe if that is selling reasonably well they could do what they do at Manchester and offer a mix with EK25 maybe operating with 428 seats and EK27 with 360.

I can't believe if these figures are correct an airline like Emirates would allow this to happen for too long.

Another alternative is as suggested and add the 517/519 seat three class A388 although this could come at a cost like at BHX (airport infrastructure).

What I am sure they will do is tread carefully before adding an early morning service as BHX could only fill the aircraft during school holiday and mid winter and I believe Rome, Munich, Milan at times found their early morning flight struggling (Milan now has the JFK tag).

Emirates are now twice daily at BHX and it appears Turkish are the early beneficiaries but in Glasgow's case that could mean more pax making the first part of their journey to EDI.

Very interesting to see how this one goes but if the 428 seater is out it surely will be the 388.

Or - wash my mouth out with soapy water - they could increase their fares

Apparently Amanda McMillan is to step down from her position early in the new year.

Glasgow bound flight from SYY off the taxiway in Western Isles

Based on what didn't arrive at Glasgow it looks like it would have been Eastern's Saab2000 G-CIEC?

Lufthansa daily to Frankfurt from March, now confirmed.

Wow third time lucky for Lufty on this one? Did not see this coming especially after Air France gave up on CDG for the 3rd time last year.
Great news.

Lufthansa will be fighting off Ryanair now that the latter has entered the FRA market in a big way. like how LH announced a 5th daily to MAN just after Ryanair announced their flights, with similar timings to that service. Coincidence! Doubt it.

Excellent having LH FRA. Whole different ballgame now since the last FRA attempt, German routes have really 'taken off'.
I suspected AF CDG was never going to work, AF is not a hugely popular brand locally, timings were not great for connections and P2P was adequately covered. If FR started Paris, the P2P out and inbound numbers would flourish.
Hopefully LH FRA will follow their other recent GLA successes and expansion and people will support. A great *A connection to have on mainline.

Anyone know why Emirates have added a third rotation on January 6? Is there an event on around then that I'm unaware of? Seems to be odd doing this for one day only.

New Year...

Fancy it could be a bloodbath to FRA. I am not surprised Munich has done well, given it has the appeal of beer and football and its a lesser service, so as a point to point destination it definitely appeals to many people in the West of Scotland.

To me, Frankfurt has a battle on its hands to oust the strongholds of Dublin, Amsterdam, Dubai and London, and probably to a lesser extent KEF, as they have only just went daily but they have been a fixture at GLA for sometime now too. Preferably I hope LH wins out against FR if anything is to drop.

Is it a 380?

It's a 773.

Rumours knocking around about EK will be announcing going to the 380 next month. This also coincides with plans to upgrade the terminal.