Originally Posted by Cloud1
(Post 10661339)
This is a very sad state of affairs. However I have a question which I know will possibly generate healthy debate.
With social media being so much more advanced and customer reaction so sensitive, do the media and their response to such “breaking news” items put the final nail in the coffin? If there was a restriction that would not allow such negative journalism at such times would this make any difference? I ask only because of the sheer volume of customer queries on twitter and Facebook and the unnecessary comments from, what would seem to be, self proclaimed armchair financial experts citing every personal issue with Flybe as their reason for financial difficulty. I appreciate that the public have the right to know what happens in the country but I do wonder if restrictions may just enable some breathing space? Look forward to everyone’s thoughts particularly those close to business failures in the past. |
Originally Posted by flyerguy
(Post 10661252)
The ones they operate for Flybe will probably stop.
Blue Islands will carry on. If Flybe ceases trading, I can not see BI carrying on. |
We have flights booked for the end of this month, wouldn't touch it for any further in the future.
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The fact that the news about Flybe is now being reported by the BBC will focus the minds of those involved in discussions around new financing. I suspect that by the end of January (and probably earlier), there will be a clear outcome
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10661451)
So who is brave enough to book Flybe flights for the summer? I would rather travel to another airport than take a chance they will be still around.
I’m happy to book today for up to 6 months in future with a credit card. |
Originally Posted by Del Prado
(Post 10661491)
I’m happy to book today for up to 6 months in future with a credit card.
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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 10661510)
remember it also needs to cost more than £100 to be covered. And while you could get your money back, if you actually need to travel you’ll end up needing to rebook and that could be much more expensive by the time you do it.
I read a lot of commentary that the Flybe model is dead, train being the future etc but those that do say that, clearly do not live in areas where Flybe actually delivers a vital service. Additionally, in the IOM, Flybe has the contract for transportation of medical passengers to Liverpool. There's a big problem ahead not only here, but in other areas/regions in similar situations. I do wonder also if an 'Administration' process is the best way for Connect to trim the fat here with Flybe and recover out of it the good bits, a smaller fleet, Virgin branded. It's been done before in many other sectors... |
When Flybe was rescued about a year ago, it was on the basis that it was almost bankrupt then.I and I am sure others, were expecting radical changes to routes etc, since it would seem that many of them were losing money, otherwise they would not have been in the position they were in. But what seems to have happened since then has been some cosmetic surgery, but maybe not to the extent required. Do they know what to do?
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Originally Posted by True Blue
(Post 10661529)
When Flybe was rescued about a year ago, it was on the basis that it was almost bankrupt then.I and I am sure others, were expecting radical changes to routes etc, since it would seem that many of them were losing money, otherwise they would not have been in the position they were in. But what seems to have happened since then has been some cosmetic surgery, but maybe not to the extent required. Do they know what to do?
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Originally Posted by BA318
(Post 10661510)
remember it also needs to cost more than £100 to be covered. And while you could get your money back, if you actually need to travel you’ll end up needing to rebook and that could be much more expensive by the time you do it.
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This has been on the cards for years sadly i’m not holding my breath i will have a job in Feb.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 10661541)
It does seem odd that very little pruning of the network was carried out over the past six months or so. I had assumed this indicated that the route structure as it stood was fairly robust and worth retaining until the time that Virgin Connect became the trading style and could develop it further. The fairly recent announcement of new domestic routes from SEN seemed to suggest that their plans of last year were still on course.
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Originally Posted by kfsimpson
(Post 10661466)
We have flights booked for the end of this month, wouldn't touch it for any further in the future.
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Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10661589)
This has been on the cards for years sadly i’m not holding my breath i will have a job in Feb.
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Or is the the nuclear option for Virgin and Sobart to get the deal done. Put BE in administration and rise from the ashes a slimmer airline operating the way you want with no BE and pardon the pun..baggage of the old airline. Staff all on the contracts you want leasing deals on better terms etc etc
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Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10661367)
A big worry in my area with airports EXT and SOU if Flybe go under - SOU will have no one left basically
May have to start looking for another job, shame as i love working there. |
Originally Posted by egcntristar
(Post 10661427)
Like I said, LH was showing £180 return online for economy, instead they rebooked me on flexi fares of £490. My Flybe fare was non refundable economy.
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A lot of people seem to think the government will bale us out as flybe are crucial to many local economies not well served by other carriers , so fingers crossed .
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Originally Posted by Del Prado
(Post 10661491)
I’m happy to book today for up to 6 months in future with a credit card.
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Apart from the €2.6million initial payment to buyout the existing shareholders what other investment has the Connect Consortium made in FlyBE in the intervening 11 months?
Have they done enough themselves to warrant approaching Government for support. They claimed to be investing €100 Million. |
A lot of people seem to think the government will bale us out as flybe are crucial to many local economies not well served by other carriers , so fingers crossed I do agree that the case for supporting them is somewhat different to what it was for Thomas Cook, for example. The latter was predominantly a holiday airline. Flybe provide connectivity for transport for business, family, medical (and probably many other) reasons to some of the remotest and most deprived parts of the UK. Airports like BHD and SOU might aswell shut up shop without a Flybe presence. Hopefully the Govt will see that they don't want to be associated with not trying to help to prevent the above, let alone redundancies that would result at the airline, airports and supporting businesses. |
A lot of people seem to think the government will bale us out as flybe are crucial to many local economies not well served by other carriers , so fingers crossed The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment. |
Strong rumours at brum easyjet are interested ....
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10661678)
Until UK leaves the EU (and probably during the "Implementation period" too) it's very difficult for Government to get involved financially.
The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment. |
PDX -
agreed, but the UK Government has much more of a tradition of adherence to international law. |
Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10661678)
Until UK leaves the EU (and probably during the "Implementation period" too) it's very difficult for Government to get involved financially.
The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment. |
If you are a British taxpayer wouldn't one want to see that the Consortium put their own money in to try to make the airline worked before coming cap in hand to the Government. They were selected ahead of another interested party, Andrew Tinkler, who already owned a significant part of the business and had a vested in interest in making the business work.
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They will probably bankrupt it and reinvent, having offloaded all the stuff they don’t want for free
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Originally Posted by edi_local
(Post 10661646)
I should have said what is available to flybe in Thier reservation system. Often other airlines will only make higher classes available to competitors. Working in airline ticketing for the last 9 years, both for handling agents and directly for airlines, I've lost count of the times I've had to reroute somebody and when going to check a flight on a competitor who we interline with, only full fare economy class is showing as available. It's why so much pressure was put on us to find alternatives within our own network or alliance, even if that may not necessarily have been the best for the customer.
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10661678)
The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment.
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If Flybe is about to get rebranded anyway, what is the point for Virgin/Flybe to keep it going as a flying concern with all the related millstones around their heads? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to take on what is useful under, say, the Stobart flag? Virgin has a functioninig brand, distribution and marketing in place, Stobart a functioning regional airline. So taking over assets rather than the whole lot might be more attractive?
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Originally Posted by MKY661
(Post 10661719)
I thought according to UK insolvency laws if an airline goes into administration they must cease operations? Or has this changed since? Was the case with Flyglobespan and Monarch.
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If they're taking about administration they must be planning a pre-pack sale to... well I guess essentially themselves.
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Originally Posted by Brigantee
(Post 10661686)
Strong rumours at brum easyjet are interested ....
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10661774)
Not a cat's chance in hell. Galley FM at its very best.
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Originally Posted by CEJM
(Post 10661788)
Instead of coming out with a one liner, why don’t you explain to Brigantee why easyJet would not be interested in BHX? At least it gives everybody some insight into why easyJet are shying away from the Midlands.
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Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10661808)
Jet2 are the darlings of the Mids and North
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Jet2 are the darlings of the Mids and North |
Originally Posted by 01475
(Post 10661772)
If they're taking about administration they must be planning a pre-pack sale to... well I guess essentially themselves.
RE- EasyJet. They don't have enough aircraft to create a new base, unless they defer withdrawals of the 319's further or acquire new ones on the second hand market - which is tricky given the MAX situation especially for the summer. |
easy A319s leaving the fleet this year are spoken for and heading to pastures new.
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