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PAXboy 12th Nov 2020 19:40

DaveReidUK Yes. I read it that you have to have HAD the test and got the documented Negative BEFORE travel. I'm not sure if the test or certificate is the starting of the 72 hours! If I do have to make an urgent trip to South Africa, always a possibility for me, I'll find out and I may have to go via AMS or FRA. Hopefully nothing will blow up with my family and friends.

TCU 13th Nov 2020 07:06


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10924643)
The media reports are a little confusing.

Do they mean that after you arrive, you must then be tested negative within 72 hours ? Or that you won't be allowed in at all unless you have a negative result that's been obtained in the previous 72 hours ?

It's the later Dave. 72hrs prior to departure. I understand airport testing is also available at CPT and JNB if there are doubts on arrival. I'm heading "home" to Cape Town, hopefully next week. But with BA sulking and pulling BA59, looks like it will be KLM, Lufti or Emirates for the long haul South. BA are still operating via JNB, but I'd do almost anything to avoid transiting through there.

PAXboy 13th Nov 2020 10:19

Thanks for clarification TCU. My main port of call is JNB as my sister lives in Pretoria, good to know BA are still operating that. Normally, I then go to CPT to see friends and back direct from there.

LGWAlan 13th Nov 2020 10:28

Air2000 was Summer 1992 on a Y170 config B734
Saturday - FAO (with W into BRS) followed by a night MLA
Sunday - AGP, FAO and a night ALC
Monday - LPA and after a long turn-round a night ADB
Tuesday - HER and after a long turn-round a night PMI
Wednesday - FUE and after a long turn-round a night AGP
Thursday - FAO, AGP and a night MLA
Friday - AGP (with a W into EXT) and a night TFS

TCU 13th Nov 2020 11:14


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 10925563)
Thanks for clarification TCU. My main port of call is JNB as my sister lives in Pretoria, good to know BA are still operating that. Normally, I then go to CPT to see friends and back direct from there.

I have the SA Govt Gazette if you need a formal confirmation for your comfort. Next time you are in town, ping me and lets have a cold one at Chappies!
I'm hoping with the SA Govt relaxation, BA may re-boot BA59, although it had began to fade from daily even before the latest UK lockdown

PAXboy 13th Nov 2020 16:33

Cheers TCU, I've made a note. We were fortunate to be out in February and got home before the crisis. We left on the '59' on what turned out to be my last BAA 744 ride.

LGS6753 13th Nov 2020 19:23

Loganair looking at linking LHR with IOM:

https://ukaviation.news/loganair-eye...-of-man-route/

Musket90 13th Nov 2020 20:25


Originally Posted by LGWAlan (Post 10925568)
Air2000 was Summer 1992 on a Y170 config B734
Saturday - FAO (with W into BRS) followed by a night MLA
Sunday - AGP, FAO and a night ALC
Monday - LPA and after a long turn-round a night ADB
Tuesday - HER and after a long turn-round a night PMI
Wednesday - FUE and after a long turn-round a night AGP
Thursday - FAO, AGP and a night MLA
Friday - AGP (with a W into EXT) and a night TFS

From memory I believe these Air2000 flights from Heathrow were operated by British Midland aircraft.

WHBM 13th Nov 2020 20:46


Originally Posted by Musket90 (Post 10925941)
From memory I believe these Air2000 flights from Heathrow were operated by British Midland aircraft.

I think so too. Believe the aircraft was G-OBMM. Air 2000 didn't actually operate a 737-400. They ordered a couple for the 1990 season but disposed of them to Malaysian before delivery,

That was a fairly heroic operation, four consecutive days with three rotations, and not the shortest ones either. Minimal scheduled turnrounds for days on end.

rog747 14th Nov 2020 13:10


Originally Posted by Downwind_Left (Post 10924507)
Air 2000 ran a full based programme out of LHR in 1991-1992. Advertised as the first charter flights from Heathrow for 25 years. If you go back far enough... most things have been done before!

Sounds about right - British Eagle until late 1968 was the big package holiday charter player at LHR,
BEA did have a lot of holiday flights too, but tended to sell most of them as scheduled YN night tourist fares which were very good value.
Travel Club Upminster did charter Air France Caravelles to Nice, Corsica and Basel.

Then not much was happening until Swan Tours as WHBM said, started using Northeast Tridents on a quite large summer programme using 3 or 4 a/c from T1, mostly at Weekends and at nights during the week.
We flew those to PMI IBZ MAH ALC AGP GRO PSA VCE RMI MUC ZRH MXP TRN TUN MLA, with also a big weekend winter Ski series to MUC ZRH MXP and TUR using at least 2 Tridents.
The seating was 123 pax.

Later on BMA started some upmarket charters for CIT/Citalia to sardinia, Palma and Faro for Travel Club Upminster and other small niche Co's.
The Air2000 tie-up became quite large and was not just from LHR but from around the UK airports with all Y Airbus's used as well.

BA also joined the upmarket weekend charter flights to Greece Greek Islands Sardinia Corsica Turkey and Spain/islands for clients such as Sardatur and Neilson (Both Sun & Ski)
Many of these have been now converted to scheduled services such was the popularity (well it was popular until Covid 19 popped along)

BA's franchise GB Airways was instrumental in re energizing many of the leisure routes that BA had dumped before.
Likewise today, (again pre covid) BA compete head to head with Easy Jet (who bought GB Airways in 2008) on those same leisure routes.
When we get back to 'normal' these routes are prime fodder...

BA until last year also flew the Cunard Line charter flights from LHR to FCO IST VCE TSF BCN & ATH for the Med Fly-cruises on the liner Queen Victoria.
They used the 252Y pax 767-300's which were very popular. As such now there is no 767 replacement but I guess the 787 could be used if such flights ever restart.
Previously also Qantas had used their 747's for these cruise ship charters from LHR during their 12 hour downtime spent during the day at LHR before their night time departures back to Oz.

Oh, I forgot almost - BOAC flew their new 747-100's to Palma from LHR every summer weekend in 1971 and 1972 on package charters for Enterprise, Flair, Hickie Borman and Martin Rooks holidays - all of these Co's owned by BEA...
Quite impressive at Palma to see BOAC, KLM, SAS/Scanair, Sabena and the 2 Condor 747's at Palma all arriving and departing on a Saturday afternoon and nightime.
Such was the chaos on the ground that the Condor pax simply walked from the aircraft to the waiting coaches to take them to their resort hotels and their bags came later.





LGS6753 14th Nov 2020 14:40


BA until last year also flew the Cunard Line charter flights from LHR to FCO IST VCE TSF BCN & ATH for the Med Fly-cruises on the liner Queen Victoria.
Rog - I thought there was a ban on whole-plane charters at LHR, and had been for some years.

WHBM 14th Nov 2020 17:36


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10926470)
Rog - I thought there was a ban on whole-plane charters at LHR, and had been for some years.

I think they excluded inward charters, but carriers with spare slots, especially at weekends, were inside the rules. Note all these were based operators. The best known charters were of course those on Concorde. The marginal time Qantas 747 to Athens and back must have fitted inside this as well.

Travel Club Upminster did charter Air France Caravelles to Nice, Corsica and Basel.
I believe the first jet charter series anywhere was Travel Club, with an Air France Caravelle during its weekend Heathrow night stop, to Basle. Actually it would have to be billed as Mulhouse (same airport, French terminal). If to Basle, Swiss side, it would need to have been Swissair in those protective times.

edi_local 15th Nov 2020 06:15


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 10926470)
Rog - I thought there was a ban on whole-plane charters at LHR, and had been for some years.

I worked at LHR in 2012 and remember providing passenger services for 2 one off charter flights out of T1. A jet2 737 to DUB for a group of rugby fans and a bmi regional embraer to GOT for a Volvo corporate event.

southside bobby 16th Nov 2020 10:36

AA dropping a combined total of 16 flights a week from both JFK & ORD from next month.

Skipness One Foxtrot 16th Nov 2020 14:36


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10927747)
AA dropping a combined total of 16 flights a week from both JFK & ORD from next month.

It's only 14 weekly today, once daily JFK-LHR and once daily ORD-LHR, both on the B77W.

DaveReidUK 16th Nov 2020 15:38


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10927937)
It's only 14 weekly today, once daily JFK-LHR and once daily ORD-LHR, both on the B77W.

Two daily JFK rotations at the moment.

southside bobby 16th Nov 2020 17:42

AA cease passenger service to LHR from NYC/ORD & Charlotte thru December.
Will continue the JFK & ORD cargo only service.

Skipness One Foxtrot 16th Nov 2020 19:47


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10928056)
AA cease passenger service to LHR from NYC/ORD & Charlotte thru December.
Will continue the JFK & ORD cargo only service.

Charlotte was pulled back in the spring Bobby.
DaveReidUK Only AA105 has operated since winter season, 101 was dropped.

DaveReidUK 17th Nov 2020 06:29


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10928142)
Only AA105 has operated since winter season, 101 was dropped.

While you are correct about AA101 not operating, there has been a daily JFK B772 (10:05/15:25) in addition to the B77W on the AA105/106 rotation. I make that two. :O

Skipness One Foxtrot 17th Nov 2020 13:35


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10928378)
While you are correct about AA101 not operating, there has been a daily JFK B772 (10:05/15:25) in addition to the B77W on the AA105/106 rotation. I make that two. :O

I think that's cargo, there's been a few ORD and JFKs on the AA9000 series? I can only see a single passenger service.
UK-US passenger services are going to be at their minimum for months to come I think.


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