How very true, people will moan about anything, my moan is the traffic going to work down the A34. Airports
Hmmh difficult as I find CDG a bloody awful place makes MAN look and feel a dream. If you go to any venue when it is
really busy you just expect delays be it bus, train or concert venue.

chaps, yes, apologies for omitting you from the list.

There are good dreams and bad dreams though. Why should you "just expect delays" at venues though?

Caravaggio,

I’m not getting involved, I’m aiming to just post routes news going forward. I’m just simply not interested in how long it takes individuals to go through security.

15 minutes is damn good took me 2 hours at Toronto years ago and over a hour at CDG plus all the delay with the long walk and then train and then another walk just to clear customs

Ian

Guys,

This forum is about airports as well as routes and I think that Caravaggio has a good point - the airport should be working hard to give a passenger the best possible experience. We can all highlight airports where there has a been a long wait for security, but in general I wait less than 5 minutes to clear security, even at busy periods, at most airports I travel through both in Europe and Asia - less than 5 minutes at both Hong Kong and Haneda this week for example.

Like others, I have had a good and bad experiences at Manchester - the bad ones are always when they have insufficient lanes open and lack the staffing/flexibility to open extra ones. They could learn lessons from LHR T5 which is much improved in the last 12 months..... nobody shouting or being aggressive, smiling staff, and a pleasant experience with all lanes open on every occasion I have been through. The key to this improvement, I think, seems to be having at least one duty manager in the security area at all times.

Oops - bish, bash, bosh
Currently ongoing situation
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...crack-14717762

The airport is in the middle of a major infrastructure upgrade so we have to accept that for a limited time the services are going to be less than ideal. I myself have recently experienced real improvements in transfer times through security and passport control and there is always the option to pay a bit more and go through quicker. As for toilets, food, drink etc. at busy times the airport is clearly struggling to cope with demand. I'm sure we will see some improvements in the next couple of years but in the meantime we will have to manage and feedback constructively to the airport. When you visit other airports across the world is not the worst by a margin but still needs to improve.

Major infrastructure upgrade

True but falling through the floor should not be a part of the customer experience !

I must be seriously lucky... flying 4 to 6 times a month to/from Manchester for the past 3 years at varying times, from different terminals, with different airlines and using the various official car parks close to the terminals, I don't seem to come across so much disruption as others claim to experience.

Recently I've been leaving the Premier Inn on Runger Lane at 5:20am, driving to T1 M&G, through security, grabbed a drink from WH Smith and still had 5 minutes to sit down before the gate opens for a 6:20am flight.

More often than not, I spend more time queuing at security in Gibraltar (which only ever has 2 or 3 flights departing) than I do in Manchester.

I would suspect the main user of the airport, an average holidaymaker has little issue with what some people are complaining of on here.

It's not just MAG who are under-staffing, Every service provider is knowingly doing the same - Handling agents/cleaners/Fuellers.... it's now become an accepted way of operating to the frustration of the guys and gals who actually have to do the job.

The phrase is "you get what you pay for"!

Sure as long as you don't slow me down at security unpacking your bag into 4 or 5 trays :p

Like I say... I must be very lucky :confused:

Thanks for the info.

If BGI is a B747, it would suggest 4 x B747s fully occupied if MCO were say 12 x weekly, unless some MCO flights were A332/3. It could also mean LAS, LAX, and BOS would be A332 or A333s. Do we know the full fleet breakdown for MAN at this stage?

Very welcome news after todays 2h45 TCX delay to LAX (another 15 mins.......)

Is this the missing Long Haul announcement?

It would be superb to see Thai at Manch'.....Parked next to Singapore.

Have we ever had a Thai aircraft at EGCC?

SAS and Thai had a DC-8 interchange/leasing arrangement for many years so it's possible pics of a Thai DC-8 might actually be a SAS aircraft operating SAS flights.

Interesting news on VS. LAX for SFO is a straight swap by the looks of it (now that the A330-200s can get to LAX which the -300s I doubt could) but that is some serious capacity growth on ATL and JFK with 450 seats a day to each.

I remember that, in fact the photo from the gate showed it was the New King 10 in the left seat

"I'm aiming to just post routes news going forward. i'm just simply not interested in how long it takes individuals to go through security"

Well, LAX, say's it all. You're either a member of MAG Management or a 'Travel Agent'.........Or even worse....SIMON CALDER?

PS, 'Going forward' is classic 'management-speak'.

"Don't have nightmares".

Last couple of Thai Airways visits were 28th Oct 2013 and 13th Nov 1989.


For VS, we seem to have:
747: daily JFK, daily ATL and 12 weekly MCO = 4 based for 26 flights
A330: 2 weekly BGI, 3 weekly BOS, 3 weekly LAX, 4 weekly LAS = 2 based for 12 flights.

Aren't GLA-MCO and BFS-MCO 747 routes? That could mean they are using a MAN based 747 next year so you get 28 flights a week out of them.
MAN-SFO is 3 weekly. So either the route is getting reduced frequency or it's being culled as it can't operate using the planned A330 operations for the other routes.

I obviously touched a nerve LAX......Have fun.....Going forward....:E :ok:

Good news. Overall it's heading in the right direction. The PR piece makes no mention of SFO getting chopped so I'll take your knowledge as good on that one, LAX.
SFO always felt like a route which wouldn't support two carriers at MAN, especially when they fly on the same days at roughly the same times. VS have blinked first, I trust MT will keep the route. These two are head to head on BOS, another thin route and will now also showdown on LAX, which should be a strong route. If my recent experience on MT is anything to go by, MAN-LAX is currently under-served.

LAX makes much more sense than SFO, surely if they are clever they will codeshare down to Oz with VA/DL and try to capture a share of the market

15th February 1977 was the day a Thai DC-8-63 diverted to MAN from a foggy LHR. The mere sound of HS-TGZ whistling over Stockport was enough to spark a dash for the 369 bus to the airport :)

It would be great to finally see them back at MAN on a regular basis after so many years of rumoured starts - albeit this time in something a little quieter...

Great to see some TATL expansion but wondered why MAN can't retain a Washington service? BMI and then UA been and gone yet DUB (2 daily) and EDI (daily) both keeping their seasonal services going. Does it require some sort of governmental use to fill the front?

I used UA to IAD for connection thru to DEN and it was one of the better US hub experiences.

EDI and DUB don't have Virgin and Thomas Cook who are collectively eating the American carriers' lunch at MAN, and the latter seem content to sit and watch them take the market. Virgin's tie-up with Delta and MT's various code share agreements have the USA pretty well covered now through a range of hubs, as well as feed at the MAN end.

I was a regular user of the UA to Dulles on a point to point basis - I have a lot of reasons to go there regularly. My experience was that although the flights were more or less full (incl Business First) when you de-planed at Dulles, the pax terminating at Dulles, like me, were significantly in the minority - I'm guessing most were in transit to the House of Mouse. So despite DC being one of THE great USA experiences, it doesn't seem as though there is enough business to justify the route.
Since the demise of the UA route I've been taking TCX to JFK with a JetBlue (great airline btw) codeshare to Dulles or to Reagan...it's alright actually- and good value. I'll probably try the new Baltimore service next year and train it to Union stn....we'll see

EDI-IAD is new and I would expect it will go like MAN in a few years. It was more a response to DY by moving capacity out of NY. You are right a lot of transit on UA IAD-Europe. Some Goverment J traffic helps the routes but insignificant..

I know and understand the hostility that certain forumers have towards BA. They have their reasons, mainly historical and more recently that BA have developed a track record of dropping the Manchester connectors at the first sign of trouble (like bad weather). I just wanted to provide some balance.

I am now stuck in a grim hotel in the German countryside as a result of Lufthansa now employing exactly the same commercial strategy as BA..
FRA has experienced a number of weather related problems over the last day or two and has quickly cancelled Manchester flights in a similar style to BA.

I accepted a flight proposal with LH on the basis that (well according to this site) there are 5 flights a day. I had a tight connection for the teatime flight which, I thought, if I missed I could get the 'regular as clockwork' 22.10 flight.....but no.... this is non-op today..... as is the first one tomorrow...for operational convenience There are more important priorities on the network than Manchester.....does this sound like BA? So there are no flights with LH between FRA and MAN between 16.50 today and 10.05 tomorrow. The desk agent told me in no uncertain terms 'there are only 3 flights a day between Frankfurt and Manchester'.....all airlines LIE to their customers.
BA are no worse than the rest of the low lifes in the vipers nest that is the airline business these days. Even worse: they get low paid, nice enough young innocent people to do the lying for them.
My next holiday will be a holiday from flying - as long as I can possibly make it.....and an even longer holiday from LH and FRA generally.

There is usually a late FRA-MAN flight every day. It nightstops at MAN, STA about 2300hrs.

TURIN: why bother replying at all if you can't be bothered to read the post you are replying to? I know there is a late flight - I've been on it more times than I care to remember.