No Vegas then?.

No Vegas then?.

Virgin
 

Vegas gone
Delhi / Boston - not starting

Boston was to be operated by Delta if that makes a difference?

Virgin just confirmed on Twitter that Las Vegas has indeed gone.

EMA has a lot of direct cargo flights from USA and mainland Europe, mainly through integrators and the likes of AeroLogic ( which I think is owned by DHL and Lufthansa ) , I was involved in some air cargo movements last week which arrived direct from CVG into EMA per Boeing 767, operated on behalf of DHL, but can't remember the actual carrier now.....and they were 20 tonnes paletised shipments, not parcels

It will have been either Amerijet, ABX Air or CargoJet. They have all been running double daily flights from CVG to EMA if that helps

OK many thanks, I should remember, but I can't - sorry !

Lufthansa returns
 

LH returning with MAN-FRA 6 per week😊
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...nd-manchester/

Cathay appears to be bookable MAN-HKG from July 1st. Is this a definite "plan" or a leftover from the previous schedule? Maybe Spannersatcx has some news?

Saudia
 

Saudi 787 on its way and I hear another two are scheduled next week. Are these repat flights or just cargo?

As far as I know May/June cancelled, July would be dependent on what's happening in the UK I guess, they will be cancelled most likely at the end of May or beginning of June. Staff have been furloughed for May/June but not July as yet but as the scheme has been extended most likely July as well. I personally think August you may see something 🤞

A normally reliable source is stating that Kuwait are starting 3x weekly with 330s from early July. I’d like it to be true but am somewhat stunned anyone would be launching a new route in that timeframe!

could well be, Kuwait have been operating in sporadically over the last few months apparently

Only for recent repatriation flights as far as I recall

Finnair to resume Helsinki from (sometime) in July https://www.airlive.net/finnair-to-r...zcKetwweEl3dOg

Kuwait is a scheduled flight. Not just repatriation.

The previous 777 flights were repatriation; the flights from July are scheduled.

MAN acquring a fine collection of Virgin's 747s...all should be there by the end of this week...then what I wonder???

I've heard all the B744 are coming to MAN so that they can have engine swaps - original engines to original airframes - then off to the big yard in the desert.
Also I believe the A330s are then coming to us for storage.
Happy to be corrected if needs be.

DomyDom
Great to hear, just want Munich to be restarted, and I will be very happy . Getting a bit fed up of the multiple stops to and from especially as much of the infrastructure within the various routes I have used have been closed so long waits in empty terminals.
Cheers
Mr Mac

Why would they want to waste time and money moving engines around?
This is not a practice I have heard of before. Especially if the aircraft are being permanently withdrawn from service.

It's completely normal? Depending on finance on engines or the airframes, they will need to be refitted back with their stated engines under whatever terms with the leasing company. It's an entirely normal practice to move engines around the fleet to balace usage and then to fit back their original engines with the frame to return to lessors. As I understand all of the VS fleet is financed in one way shape or form?

We used to do it at BA, brand new 744 arrived from Boeing first thing we did was remove and replace engines, just to space out the lives of each engine fitted so they didn't all need overhaul/mods etc at the same time.
I would guess put the newest engines on the newest airframes VV the old ones, some would be more saleable than others as a result I imagine.

GVROY Finals 6 down ,1 to go.

EZY MAN routes
 

EZY have announced a number of routes they intend to startup again from June - mainly UK and France internal routes but no MAN services listed.

Spanners, JSCL.

I know about the swapping engines at start of life to spread the overhaul across the fleet.

Engines get changed ad hoc due to failures or pending faults but what I'm talking about is the returning of the original engines back to the original airframe. An airframe that is being scrapped for example. Seems strange as the engines will be amongst the first items to be removed.

Yes but the original engines will belong to X financier or Y lessor relating to the aircraft in most cases.

If they've done various swaps which means they have different engines on the aircraft relating to a different financier, theyll revert them back to ensure they're returning the aircract with its appropriate engines. As its the financier/lessor that is really scrapping them, not VS as to my understanding they don't own them?

as has been said the engines 'belong' to the aircraft so need returning. Same at any end of lease handback for engines, Apu and gear unless negotiated otherwise. Usually have to be in a preagreed condition aswell, whether that be by recently visiting the engine shop and/or confirmed by a video borescope. Otherwise they'll be big financial penalties.

Imagine if you were the owner of the newest 747 and it had 2 or 3 of the oldest engines. You wouldn't be happy.

These are the parts that will have the biggest value if the aircraft are going to be parted out.

I am curious as to why this work is taking place in Manchester when VS have maintance hangers at both Heathrow and Gatwick.

Easy from 15 June
 

UK

§ Belfast-Birmingham

§ Belfast-Bristol

§ Belfast-Edinburgh

§ Belfast-Glasgow

§ Belfast-London Gatwick

§ Belfast-Liverpool

§ Belfast-Newcastle

§ Birmingham-Belfast

§ Bristol-Belfast

§ Edinburgh-Belfast

§ Edinburgh-London Gatwick

§ Glasgow-Belfast

§ Glasgow-London Gatwick

§ Inverness-London Gatwick

§ Isle of Man-London Gatwick

§ Isle of Man-Liverpool

§ London Gatwick-Belfast

§ London Gatwick-Edinburgh

§ London Gatwick-Glasgow

§ London Gatwick-Inverness

§ London Gatwick-Isle of Man

§ London Gatwick-Nice

§ Liverpool-Belfast

§ Liverpool-Isle of Man

§ Newcastle-Belfast

France

§ Bordeaux-Lyon

§ Bordeaux-Nice

§ Paris Charles de Gaulle-Nice

§ Paris Charles de Gaulle-Toulouse

§ Lille-Nice

§ Lyon-Bordeaux

§ Lyon-Nantes

§ Nice-Bordeaux

§ Nice-Paris Charles de Gaulle

§ Nice-London Gatwick

§ Nice-Lille

§ Nice-Nantes

§ Nice-Toulouse

§ Nice-Geneva

§ Nantes-Lyon

§ Nantes-Nice

§ Toulouse-Paris Charles de Gaulle

§ Toulouse-Nice

Switzerland

§ Geneva-Porto

§ Geneva-Barcelona

§ Geneva-Lisbon

§ Geneva-Nice

Spain

§ Barcelona-Geneva

Portugal

§ Porto-Geneva

§ Lisbon-Geneva

Most MAN routes seem to be loaded from July 1st.

Fair enough, makes sense. This leasing lark is a nightmare. I still have questions but I'll leave it here.

GVXLG Finals 7 of 7

20 tonne pallet? are you sure?

Insert word 'of' and try again?

Yes, as someone seemed to delight in posting a long list of easyjet services operating from mid-June but not MAN (on the pretext of replying to a quote that MAN wasn't listed), as this is the MAN thread, I'm glad you pointed out that flights are loaded from 1 July. Prices are shown for quite a wide range of destinations, including multi-daily flights to the likes of AMS, BFS & CDG.
I wonder how many seats are available on a/c.

Flights for July are loaded atm but I would imagine a lot of them will be taken off sale in a few weeks time. This was the case in April, May & June.

MKY661, you may well be right of course, particularly if this (unwarranted in the view of many) quarantine policy is extended beyond June, or so little notice is given of its cessation that folk won't have booked flights.

I doubt there will be any rush of bookings for any route, until the quarantine issue is resolved and secondly, the FCO advice on overseas travel - which impacts "most" peoples travel insurance. Given the way refund matters have been dealt with by many airlines, this pay now & don't worry you can change/refund if cancelled- isn't going to cut the mustard with many. The majority will simply wait until both the above issues are resolved. The rare exception might be with Jet2 who have performed very well with customer refunds, thereby inspiring confidence in change/refunds if flights are cancelled. (All Jet2 flights cancelled until July 1st)