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JW95 9th Nov 2019 09:38

Jet 2
 
I see that Jet 2 has succeed in acquiring all of Thomas Cook's slots at STN. Will be interesting to see how these are used and possible new routes opening up from here- certainly, interesting times ahead for LS, and in time could see them overtake EZY to become number 2 at STN.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50350531

I wonder what new routes (if any) can we expect, in addition to expansion on existing frequencies?

JW95 9th Nov 2019 09:40


Originally Posted by BIZZYBOY (Post 10614448)


What an awful looking and uninviting addition. Who designs these bolt on ideas. Sir Norman Foster would certainly not approve. When you look at Airports around the world they are meant to hold some beauty and be inspiring keeping the romance of air travel fresh and alive. Stansted when built done just that unfortunately it has not maintained or kept to the original look.

I second that- it looks hideous and doesn't align at all with STN's design philosophy of the original terminal. Certainly a step backwards as far as aesthetics go, although glad to see it is only temporary.

pamann 9th Nov 2019 14:00


Originally Posted by JW95 (Post 10614534)
I second that- it looks hideous and doesn't align at all with STN's design philosophy of the original terminal. Certainly a step backwards as far as aesthetics go, although glad to see it is only temporary.

My thoughts are the same with the new arrivals terminal (when it’s built). It bears no resemblance to the current terminal. Where as under BAA ownership the terminal was extended a couple of times. Surely extending it out further towards the Radisson would be better (aesthetically). Do (what was the BAA) own the rights to the original design?

The96er 9th Nov 2019 15:03


Originally Posted by pamann (Post 10614687)


My thoughts are the same with the new arrivals terminal (when it’s built). It bears no resemblance to the current terminal. Where as under BAA ownership the terminal was extended a couple of times. Surely extending it out further towards the Radisson would be better (aesthetically). Do (what was the BAA) own the rights to the original design?

I think you'll find that M.A.G really don't care about aesthetics and more about the bottom line. If you follow the MAN thread, you'll see just how bad a job they've done with the T2 expansion. The project has really been value engineered to within an inch of its life with absolutly no redeeming architectural features what so ever and bears no resemblance to the still modern looking original T2 construction.

carousel 9th Nov 2019 15:50

[QUOTE=pamann;10614237]
Anyone know what the temporary looking outside extension is at the far end of the terminal building?

Contains two new "superlanes" for security, running trials at the moment. Will have the new 3D scanners fitted next year (liquids in bag laptops in bag as at Schiphol ),at the moment using same as rest of security lanes but twice the length twenty staff per lane.

JW95 9th Nov 2019 16:05

[QUOTE=carousel;10614748]

Originally Posted by pamann (Post 10614237)
Anyone know what the temporary looking outside extension is at the far end of the terminal building?

Contains two new "superlanes" for security, running trials at the moment. Will have the new 3D scanners fitted next year (liquids in bag laptops in bag as at Schiphol ),at the moment using same as rest of security lanes but twice the length twenty staff per lane.

Any interior shots of the new temporary extension?

whitelighter 9th Nov 2019 20:35


Originally Posted by JW95 (Post 10614532)
I see that Jet 2 has succeed in acquiring all of Thomas Cook's slots at STN. Will be interesting to see how these are used and possible new routes opening up from here- certainly, interesting times ahead for LS, and in time could see them overtake EZY to become number 2 at STN.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50350531

I wonder what new routes (if any) can we expect, in addition to expansion on existing frequencies?

in terms of based AC they are already number 2

Paulesx 11th Nov 2019 16:18

Ural airlines
 
Ural STN - DME service now showing for summer 20
As can be found in GDS and Ural website


still 4 x p/w but with some amended flight times

site won’t let me post the link but can be found on routes online

Flight has potential when looked as a point to point vs Wizz, but with with the addition of the new DME connections ( as opposed to ZIA) the connections have lots on onward potential for the likes of St Petersburg / sochi / Yekaterinburg / kazan / novosibiersk / Tomsk Etc,

Harrych 11th Nov 2019 18:31

If I remember correctly there were plans for a mezzanine seating area above the shops and restaurants airside. Does anyone have any updates?

Buster the Bear 11th Nov 2019 19:13

https://www.businessweekly.co.uk/new...-set-fly-again

JW95 11th Nov 2019 19:18


Originally Posted by Harrych (Post 10616372)
If I remember correctly there were plans for a mezzanine seating area above the shops and restaurants airside. Does anyone have any updates?

I believe the mezzanine area has now been opened, I think it is where the Camden restaurant is?

Harrych 11th Nov 2019 20:08


Originally Posted by JW95 (Post 10616397)
I believe the mezzanine area has now been opened, I think it is where the Camden restaurant is?

I’m aware of that one and it’s the same in the Windmill Pub but I was meaning a generic passenger seating area that I believe was planned.

LTNman 12th Nov 2019 04:56

That extension looks like a contractors village of bolted together portocabins and is the sort of thing penny pinching Luton would build as a permanent structure. Got to say it looks awful.

Surprised these are the first photos of this monstrosity to be seen. Does no one here who posts regularly visit the airport with a camera? Seem not or was it knocked up over a weekend as it looks rather modular.

JW95 12th Nov 2019 09:12


Originally Posted by Harrych (Post 10616436)


I’m aware of that one and it’s the same in the Windmill Pub but I was meaning a generic passenger seating area that I believe was planned.

Definitely didn't see one on my last visit, only the areas you've mentioned above, although, i do recall seeing contractors and building work going in in the departure lounge back in September, so perhaps it has since been opened?

pamann 12th Nov 2019 09:20


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10616654)
That extension looks like a contractors village of bolted together portocabins and is the sort of thing penny pinching Luton would build as a permanent structure. Got to say it looks awful.

Surprised these are the first photos of this monstrosity to be seen. Does no one here who posts regularly visit the airport with a camera? Seem not or was it knocked up over a weekend as it looks rather modular.

Whilst I agree that aesthetically it looks poor/out of place, it is (as mentioned) temporary.

There’s also a big area of scaffolding right in the middle of the outside of the front of the building. I can only guess they are building a new entrance/exit point to the terminal?

The new check in area looks great. Will look amazing once this has been extended the full length of the building and security has been re-located. There’s a great transformation video on YouTube for anyone who is unfamiliar with what is planned.

carousel 12th Nov 2019 13:49

Scaffolding
 

Originally Posted by pamann (Post 10616802)


Whilst I agree that aesthetically it looks poor/out of place, it is (as mentioned) temporary.

There’s also a big area of scaffolding right in the middle of the outside of the front of the building. I can only guess they are building a new entrance/exit point to the terminal?

The new check in area looks great. Will look amazing once this has been extended the full length of the building and security has been re-located. There’s a great transformation video on YouTube for anyone who is unfamiliar with what is planned.

The huge ammount of scaffolding was to repaint/clean the smoke dammage from the bus fire last year. It has taken seven months to build the security superlanes hardly "knocked up in a weekend"

pamann 12th Nov 2019 14:02


Originally Posted by carousel (Post 10616961)
The huge ammount of scaffolding was to repaint/clean the smoke dammage from the bus fire last year. It has taken seven months to build the security superlanes hardly "knocked up in a weekend"

Thanks for the info carousel.

Harrych 18th Nov 2019 08:49

Does anyone know how the air India loads have been recently?

Do they carry cargo?

Skipness One Foxtrot 18th Nov 2019 10:17


Originally Posted by BIZZYBOY (Post 10614448)
What an awful looking and uninviting addition. Who designs these bolt on ideas. Sir Norman Foster would certainly not approve. When you look at Airports around the world they are meant to hold some beauty and be inspiring keeping the romance of air travel fresh and alive. Stansted when built done just that unfortunately it has not maintained or kept to the original look.

Ouch!
Sad to say this is what happens when award winning iconic buildings (YES, I mean you Stansted Airport) need to be adapted at commercial rates to add shareholder value.
It was built as a national asset part of UK PLC, capitalist though I am, this is the price of flogging of the family silver. Worth it though, on balance. Just. Maybe...
But yes, looks awful, am a huge fan of original un-adapted building with clear purpose. MAG has had particular issues where MAN T3 is not being used close to it's designed purpose of high frequency commuter flights for business purposes on mainly 100 seat aircraft, with the odd heavy. MAN T2 also suffers from "Half pint pot" syndrome, but in fairness, STN is now a long way from the hassle free way to board an Air UK 146 to connect via AMS.

davidjohnson6 18th Nov 2019 10:53

Alas beautifully designed buildings cost more money than basic pre-fabricated sheds... and most of us want to be able to fly as cheaply as possible when going for leisure
Yes there is a limit (Marseille terminal 2, with metal cages, I am looking at you) but Stansted seems to be sufficiently comfortable that people will put up with its desire to extract money from pax via retail

Skipness One Foxtrot 18th Nov 2019 11:37


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10621003)
Alas beautifully designed buildings cost more money than basic pre-fabricated sheds... and most of us want to be able to fly as cheaply as possible when going for leisure
Yes there is a limit (Marseille terminal 2, with metal cages, I am looking at you) but Stansted seems to be sufficiently comfortable that people will put up with its desire to extract money from pax via retail

It's not "extra money" in any way, it's core revenue. Airline charges have withered so much that to even cover costs, airports have to discount massively to get the operators in at all, (e.g. Ryanair) and as a consequence, the money comes from retail charges and profit share. The only things that really matter, are safety, security and shopping, there's no other way. There are exceptions like LHR where a premium is paid as yields can be *much* higher, or YYZ where you either pay or fly from Hamilton.
Personally, I grew up watching BAA build shiney new facilities at GLA, only for the market to fragment and move East. It was only the agreed strategy to force growth at GLA what allowed an ROI to justify what GLA now has over EDI. Even though EDI has way more traffic, the facilities at GLA remain superior, with 12 airbridge capable stands, something EDI is only now addressing and only in a rather basic manner.
STN was (re-)built with another world in mind, less Westfield more Heathrow.

BAA was allowed to take a wider strategic view but it was close to being a monopoly, and now we may have gone a little too far the other way?

VickersVicount 18th Nov 2019 11:48


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
it was only the agreed strategy to force growth at GLA what allowed an ROI to justify what GLA now has over EDI.

I'm not sure thats strictly true as lots of the bigger international carriers/routes post date those decisions by many years eg Delta, Air Canada R, Lufthansa. I'm not even sure, despite the initial subsidy, EK were 'forced' to GLA and 'forced' not to consider EDI at that time.

Skipness One Foxtrot 18th Nov 2019 11:59


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10621034)
I'm not sure thats strictly true as lots of the bigger international carriers/routes post date those decisions by many years eg Delta, Air Canada R, Lufthansa. I'm not even sure, despite the initial subsidy, EK were 'forced' to GLA and 'forced' not to consider EDI at that time.


In the 90s I mean, to pay for the expansion of GLA, there was no wish to do more than the basics at EDI. Very similar at LHR, ironically which was starved of real expansion to pay for the all-new STN. Once T4 was built, LHR really began to slide in terms of Terminal infrastructure, I used LGW North for years as the facilities were way better than LHR T1. I wish I had flown through STN in the AirUK years, never did alas.
btw can't believe I only noticed "Vicount" less 's' when someone else pointed it out. #blind

OpsSix 18th Nov 2019 12:25

Double Jet Bridge confirmed for stand A13 and a possible twice daily A380 now mentioned.

Harrych 18th Nov 2019 13:06

Where is it confirmed?

OpsSix 18th Nov 2019 14:32

As per the previous... Staff briefings.

JW95 19th Nov 2019 11:01

Emirates
 
Would EK really upgauge both daily flights to the A380 straightaway? If they really were to bring the A380 to STN, my thinking is that both existing flights (EK66 and EK68) would be consolidated into a single daily operation.

On the subject of Emirates, is there any news on the new Emirates lounge to be built in satellite 1? If the airline/airport is preparing for daily 388 ops, then I take it construction has already started?

carousel 19th Nov 2019 11:25

The lounge is already there just needs fitting out

Harrych 19th Nov 2019 12:14


Originally Posted by carousel (Post 10621813)
The lounge is already there just needs fitting out

Has the lounge been confirmed yet?

carousel 19th Nov 2019 15:30

Ready for the highest/first bidder

pamann 19th Nov 2019 21:31


Originally Posted by JW95 (Post 10621798)
Would EK really upgauge both daily flights to the A380 straightaway? If they really were to bring the A380 to STN, my thinking is that both existing flights (EK66 and EK68) would be consolidated into a single daily operation.

On the subject of Emirates, is there any news on the new Emirates lounge to be built in satellite 1? If the airline/airport is preparing for daily 388 ops, then I take it construction has already started?

Some connections were near impossible with just the one flight. It would be pointless to go back to one. I wouldn’t be surprised if the later departure was changed to A380 and the daytime remained 777 to begin. Let’s see. We can only speculate at this stage.

daz211 22nd Nov 2019 14:46

Wideroe increases Stansted-kristtiansand route, from x5 weekly to daily, from March 29th 2020.

_aax1 22nd Nov 2019 15:30


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10624163)
Wideroe increases Stansted-kristtiansand route, from x5 weekly to daily, from March 29th 2020.

It was daily last summer too. They also planned to operate a Stansted - Stavanger route but was cancelled when Wizz launched their Luton route.

Harrych 22nd Nov 2019 19:14


Originally Posted by _aax1 (Post 10624195)
It was daily last summer too. They also planned to operate a Stansted - Stavanger route but was cancelled when Wizz launched their Luton route.

It was daily only from late June to mid August last summer.
On the reservation site service during winter reduces to 3 weekly.

Wizz fares to SVG this winter look to mostly be around £9 so wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t last, would be great if Widerøe do add SVG or any other routes, STN-KRS fares are always high.

pamann 26th Nov 2019 16:41

So what do we make of this...

London Stansted ACL Summer 2020

I’m not the best at reading these grids, but some interesting airlines listed such as;

Vueling to Paris and La Coruña
Correndon to Antalya (presume charter possibly TUI?)
Tus Airways to Larnaca
Indigo to Delhi
Nouvelair Tunise to Enfidha (presume charter possibly TUI?)

There is also mention of Ryanair UK on Turkish routes. Also appears to be extra slots allocated to BA Cityflyer?

I understand that not all of this actually comes to fruition, but definitely interesting. Especially Vueling.

Thoughts?

daz211 26th Nov 2019 16:41

Another new route from Jet2.
London Stansted - Mykonos / 2x weekly.

davidjohnson6 26th Nov 2019 16:46

Atlas Global have suspended flight operations and tickets are no longer being sold

pamann 26th Nov 2019 16:49


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10627096)
Atlas Global have suspended flight operations and tickets are no longer being sold

Being reported as ‘temporary’

Atlasglobal temporarily suspends operations

Harrych 26th Nov 2019 17:22

Tus airways are to rebrand as Ela air and plan to acquire newer aircraft and are expected to announce new destinations before the end of 2019.

Harrych 26th Nov 2019 17:57

Jet2.com have added Friedrichshafen (FDH) 1 weekly this winter.


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