Does that answer some of the above rubbish, and even educate some of you just a little ? Well, the SNP saved Prestwick Airport, They have written off £33M of the debt, I've no issues with The Scottish Government owning Prestwick Airport, but they need to be realistic & honest about its future for it to (quite rightly) prosper. That £33M(?) has gone (in part) to increase profits at the only based airline & subsidise outbound tourism. Had the money been spent on developing the non-airline aviation industry there, the area/country as a whole may have benefitted more. The Scotsman has an agenda - it's an Edinburgh 'newspaper' |
The BAA did not sell off and close Runway 21/03. They did sell off some land well beyond the end of 21 which became a retail park and effectively precluded further extension of the runway. During the latter years of the BAA's ownership the active length was reduced to almost half to save on maintenance costs. It was never closed as at the time of the shortening the BAe Flying College was making intensive use of the runway. After the BAA sold the airport, the runway was restored to its full length.
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Originally Posted by Scottish Flyer
(Post 10626273)
The BAA did not sell off and close Runway 21/03. They did sell off some land well beyond the end of 21 which became a retail park and effectively precluded further extension of the runway. During the latter years of the BAA's ownership the active length was reduced to almost half to save on maintenance costs. It was never closed as at the time of the shortening the BAe Flying College was making intensive use of the runway. After the BAA sold the airport, the runway was restored to its full length.
Later the first third was re-activated at cost as it was discovered that AS-202s with student PPLs on board were being challenged with 30 kts crosswinds on too many days. But it *was* withdrawn from use at one point and was allowed to deteriorate. I walked across it with my dad back in the late 80s before they reopened it, it was in a real mess with many weeds and holes. |
Don’t know if BAA ever owned the land beyond the threshold of 21/03 as this was owned by the Ministry of Defence and was the old RAF Ayr. There are still remnants of a couple of the runways , taxiways and fuel stores. Part of the Infratil master plan was to sell off the secondary runway for building purposes supposedly for aviation related activities but South Ayrshire Council weren’t convinced and denied planning permission
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...iness-50780934
Losses reduced by growth in cargo and a large increase in fuel sales |
Prestwick Airport has shown a "major improvement" in its financial performance in the last year, according to its annual report.
Accounts filed with Companies House showed the Scottish government-owned airport cut its operating losses to £1m. That was compared with £3m the previous year. Revenue also increased by 35%, from £18.2m to £24.6m. Capital expenditure on operating assets also reduced year-on-year to £2.6m. The total loss for the year, including loan interest, was £3.8m - a 50% reduction on the previous year. The airport was taken into public ownership six years ago, after being threatened with closure following heavy losses. In June, the Scottish government announced plans to sell the airport. Transport Secretary Michael Matheson said last month that bids for the state-owned airport were still being considered, despite a 4 October deadline passing. The airport's annual report stated: "Cargo growth was strong and we expect this growth to continue as we expand our business development activity in this sector and further develop discussions with other dedicated cargo carriers. Glasgow Prestwick continues to be a vital strategic transatlantic fuel stop location for both military and commercial aircraft. Year-on-year fuel sales have increased by 79% due to ongoing business development efforts and our growing reputation for providing an excellent service to these operators." The airport is run by TS Prestwick Holdco, a private limited company wholly owned by the Scottish government. 'Turnaround continuing'Airport chief executive Stewart Adams welcomed the latest figures. He said: "The turnaround of the business is continuing apace. The long-term strategic goal of developing all our potential revenue opportunities whilst strictly controlling our cost base is producing positive results. We are far from complacent but the signs are very encouraging."'Significant progress'A Scottish government spokesman said: "Glasgow Prestwick Airport is operated on a commercial basis and at arm's length from the Scottish government. These accounts show that the financial performance of the business continues to improve with revenue increasing and operating efficiencies achieved. Significant progress has been made since we bought the business in 2013 and it remains our intention to return it to the private sector. Good progress is being made with the sale process." |
When was the last time Prestwick made a profit? Has it every made a profit?
I visited the terminal maybe 10 years ago and thought the place was in a time warp from the 60’s even then. I loved the building but then I like dated buildings that time had forgot. I guess nothing much has changed since my last visit? |
In terms of location - simply the best.
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Originally Posted by GKOC41
(Post 10640311)
In terms of location - simply the best.
Looks like the route to profitability is military fuel stops, PIK (like SNN) needs a good war! |
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
(Post 10640317)
PIK (like SNN) needs a good war!
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Growth, being fuel stops and cargo, doesn’t need the 1960s terminal. Would be interesting to know what the results would have been without the cost of running the terminal and subsidising FR.
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Originally Posted by GKOC41
(Post 10640311)
In terms of location - simply the best.
for what? burning tax payers cash?? |
Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 10640533)
for what?
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That's great news... good to see the airport is starting to turn things round - hopefully that will continue and it can return to profitability.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10640708)
200 of Barratt's finest... |
Talks stall... CH Aviation PIK Sale |
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sco...-1-5049720/amp. However, I don't think think that they're one of the current bidders as the article quotes the chap from OA saying “We decided not to renew our bid. Having been through it before, there was no point in spending on further bid costs" |
Preferred bidder appointed:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshi...rport-21129388 |
From BBC
The Scottish government has chosen a preferred bidder for Prestwick Airport. The airport was taken into public ownership in 2013, after being threatened with closure following heavy losses. Transport Secretary Michael Matheson said he had accepted a recommendation from the airport's operators to appoint a preferred bidder. However, he said that he was not able yet to disclose the identity of the bidder involved. Mr Matheson revealed last month that bids for the state-owned airport were still being considered, despite a 4 October deadline having passed. In a written statement on Thursday, the minister said the Scottish government had made it clear in 2013 that it intended to return Prestwick to the private sector "when the time was right". He said: "We were pleased that the opportunity to buy the business, set out in the Official Journal of the European Union, attracted considerable interest. Following careful consideration of the bids received, I have accepted a recommendation made by TS Prestwick HoldCo to appoint a preferred bidder. To protect the integrity of the process I am not able to disclose the identity of the bidder at this time but we remain satisfied that good progress is being made in the interests of the business." Scottish Conservative transport spokesman Jamie Greene said: "If there is positive news about a potential buyer for Prestwick Airport then that process should be allowed to take course and progress. But the Scottish Conservatives have been clear since the airport was nationalised, a significant amount of taxpayers' money has been loaned, not gifted, to this business and we fully expect that any deal which comes to fruition will seek to recover that cash." Last week, Prestwick Airport reported a "major improvement" in its financial performance in the last year. Accounts filed with Companies House showed the Scottish government-owned airport cut its operating losses from £3m to £1m. |
Positive development, but if the preferred bidder is aviation orientated they will need some deep pockets if they wish to keep passenger ops going...
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AGS according to the Scotsman: https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...wick-1-5064911
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
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AGS according to the Scotsman: https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...wick-1-5064911
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AGS? not sure if thats good or bad. They are not doing GLA or ABZ any favours past 2 years... |
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10643674)
AGS? not sure if thats good or bad. They are not doing GLA or ABZ any favours past 2 years... They are buying the airport for that one sole Ryanair craft based and the circa 500k passengers IMO. Wouldn't even surprise me however if they shut the terminal and Ryanair took the aircraft completely out of the West of Scotland to EDI or elsewhere though! |
I thought it might be Persimmon.
I love PWK but I simply cannot see this as being tenable. |
Originally Posted by mwm991
(Post 10643737)
Or SOU with the flybe cuts.
They are buying the airport for that one sole Ryanair craft based and the circa 500k passengers IMO. Wouldn't even surprise me however if they shut the terminal and Ryanair took the aircraft completely out of the West of Scotland to EDI or elsewhere though! |
The Scotsman are reporting that the three parties were AGS, Vinci and another foreign consortium. Time will tell who actually is the preferred bidder is.
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Originally Posted by Navpi
(Post 10643802)
I thought it might be Persimmon.
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Next summer looks like its losing a ton of flights. Alicante, Tenerife, Malaga, Faro, Palma, basically anything with more than 2x weekly frequency was cut, most of them were 6x weekly and are now 4x or less. Initially they were all operating high frequencies and it just seemed like the lost routes were repositioned as additional flights on existing services, but recent changes have seen some of these services chopped by as much as half of what they were originally operating at. Seems to be UK wide as I see LBA has had significant cuts on the other thread.
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So the government decided having EDI and GLA owned by the same people was a monopoly and bad for Scottish travellers.. but they've picked GLA owners as the preferred bidder for PIK? Surely not...
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117
(Post 10646038)
So the government decided having EDI and GLA owned by the same people was a monopoly and bad for Scottish travellers.. but they've picked GLA owners as the preferred bidder for PIK? Surely not...
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Do the AGS group really need PIK's debt? The numbers at Glasgow aren't exactly encouraging.
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Originally Posted by mike current
(Post 10646406)
Do the AGS group really need PIK's debt? The numbers at Glasgow aren't exactly encouraging.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10646425)
Ive a feeling that debt will mysteriously disappear |
Could this interest be related to Heathrow wanting to use Prestwick as a staging post during the construction of runway 3? I think they all sit under the one umbrella.
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i never really understood this 'staging post' suggestion using PIK. What international air freight products for building tarmac are flown in or are local to Ayrshire that cant be found in Hounslow? |
I've never understood it either. Could it be that the work scope temporarily impacts on the cargo hubs at Heathrow and they need to divert some of it elsewhere? The way the papers had it they would be building packages for the Runway 3 extension at PIK and flying them down as required, which sounded a bit of a crazy way of doing things.
Edit:- This release was from last June, https://www.glasgowprestwick.com/gla...logistics-hub/ |
If AGS take control of PIK we can be more or less sure of an end to the PAX terminal piece of the operation. We can be reasonably sure that FR currently get a super deal that ensure little return for PIK. This purchase neutralises a competitor for the long run, if FR exits or transfers their flights to GLA, then standard commercial charges will apply, and if FR completely exit the void will be filled in GLA by others. Airline charges and items such as parking will go a long way to paying for the purchase price/finance. The airport most likely will take on a focus on freight and aircraft refuelling. The Scottish government may need to take a write down in their debt if they want to get this over the line. Ryanair also have a maintenance base their, likely this will be a thorny issue in the context of any revision of commercials? |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10646428)
State Aid rules are complicated, I'm not sure it's that easy.
The problem with this deal is that keeping Prestwick’s terminal open would make no financial sense when the passengers could be absorbed into Glasgow Airport’s terminal. |
RYR maintenance.
Large hangar at Manchester available where they could rotate more aircraft ? |
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