Not bad going at all, did the b52s transit through pik at any time do (u) know?

No. Only flypasts on occasion.

Glasgow Airport Investment Area - Renfrewshire Website

Cargolux , and who else ?

Mmmmmm...I lived in Renfrew all my life. Anything to turn it into a more attractive, vibrant, and sustainable place to live, would be to move it to the Mediterranean.

How in Gods name is the M8, already totally choked at the bridge, going to cope with additional traffic :rolleyes:

Tend to agree on the total nonsense. Cargolux will stay at PIK I reckon

Unless GLA was able to extend their runway towards the motorway to give a sufficient landing distance for the freighters? I'm not sure if this could give them extra take off length though? I'm pretty sure that Cargolux sometimes fail to get the best use out of the aircraft even at Prestwick with its extra length.

How so?

What difference would it make switching it to GLA? an extra 30 minutes in a truck down to Prestwick doesn't make much of a difference.

Why would Cargolux move? Freight doesn't care where it lands? And it is true that the shorter runway at Glasgow is sub optimal for a freighter at a heavy landing weight. I can see Ryanair making the move up the road but I don't see why Cargolux would willingly move?

PIKs on it's knees , as we all know , if the SG pull the plug it'll be curtains. If PIK were to go it would mean EMA for the likes of Cargolux , so maybe by talking to Glasgow and seeing what's on offer from them , they're just checking their future options !

I'm looking at the 2012 chart for the 747-8F which is quoting about 10,100ft for an MTOW (448 tonnes) take off. Flying to Los Angeles some weight will likely have to be shed for extra fuel and this will be made worse by Prestwick being a little shorter than the required runway length. It maybe that their engines have been up-rated since 2012, someone might know.

That is why I am saying that GLA will need runway work before it can match Prestwick as a heavy freight base.

Isn't all of PIK's scheduled heavy freight now only going as far as LUX or CDG? Hence stopping distance is more of the issue than departure?

Does the cargo make a lot of money? Would it be worth GLA building an extension just for some cargo flights? Extending a runway is very expensive and with engines getting better all the time a longer runway will become less useful than it used to be, or is it all about trying to kill of Prestwick as a competitor?

Not according to this, unless it has been changed,

All airlines flying from Prestwick, Glasgow to Los Angeles.

All airlines flying from Prestwick, Glasgow to Seattle-Tacoma.

With a major motorway at one end and an ancient burial ground and silt land at the other, theres a reason the runway has never been extended... let alone height obstacles and high millions required.

It is a long time since I've been there but isn't there a 1000ft hard overrun area at the Western end of the runway which could be changed to runway. This would increase the TORA ON 25 but not the TODA, and would increase both on 05. Also landing run available would increase. However, for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting that this will happen.

Is this a Prestwick thread or a Glasgow thread ? Seems now driven by some silly load of nonsense about Cargolux.

.... what else can you post for us then if theres more to PIK

Fair point, however if Cargolux were to move house, there would not be a Prestwick thread, coz it would not exist:uhoh:

It would move to the Aviation History and Nostalgia section....

Almost. Still here, but rest in pieces now.

The hard area is 500ft, looking at Google Earth. It could probably be extended to 1000ft if the will was there. Might help with their 380 hopes as well.

Major flurry of FR training activity over the last two days with a 737 and 738 circuit bashing together for long periods. Is this FR trying to train new pilots quickly to try and fill the gaps?

Just because they are doing circuits doesn't mean they will be signed off tomorrow. Shortage is with Captains, not cadets

I think they will have more to do than just extend the runway 1000ft or so for the A380. Runway and taxiway width/clearances for a start...

At EMA FR appears to have upped the tempo of training, most days the 73G EI-SEV is in the circuit, but mainly during "office hours". This last week I have seen it going up, and in the circuit well into the evening.

And I can ASSURE you, Cargolux ARE NOT Moving!

(Bracing for the onslaught 🙄)

With the increased losses at PIK , which can't be allowed to go on much longer , then Cargolux might not have any say in whether they're moving or not. :-)

Maybe they wont, but you can be sure they will choose EMA or STN over GLA!

There's surely no reason why they couldn't shut down commercial passenger ops, while keeping the airport open for freight/GA/training etc.

Given that the 747-8 is presently banned from using GLA, you are probably correct. I suppose they could use the 747-400 through GLA though.

You seem more upset at the prospect of GLA gaining Cargolox than you do at the prospect of PIK losing Cargolox.

Fan boy logic right there!

Excellent input.:D

Is main deck cargo loading something GLA wants? Without getting in the middle (again) of ye olde local airporte argument, is there an appetite for 747F operations at Glasgow? Assuming they could unload a B744F on the west apron remotes, the cargo area is on the other side of the airport with limited warehouse facilities. In all honesty, EMA or consolidating at STN would make more sense for CLX. Freight doesn't care which airport it uses but GLA has never done this and has a different focus.

I can't get excited about this discussion but, out of interest, why is the 747-8 "banned" at GLA?

Apologies, perhaps banned is the wrong terminology. Not cleared/not approved to use GLA. I assume length or the wingspan is the reason.

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...8-Airports.pdf

There was much detailed looking at STN`s taxiways & parking stands (concrete infilling) in preparation for the B748F with GTI/BAWC..STN was ready thus before LHR because of the parking requirements.
The a/c is Category 10.

Interesting document GrahamK. Off-topic, but it's a bit bizarre that Damascus are allowed to handle the B748 but the legal disclaimer on the right hand side says that we aren't allowed to tell them!

Similar work was done at PIK in preparation for CLX operations. She's a big beast!

Yes she is...some observers believe it a standard B747 with a few enhancements...
Actually it is a Category above the B744 at Category 10 the same as the A380...

Ron Smith leaving his post as CEO by the end of this month ? That was short lived !
Trouble at mill ?

Put the greatest business minds in the world in the top seat and even they won't turn a profit from passenger ops at this airport.

From Googling, all I can find is that he wanted a flight to Heathrow. It's flying to Heathrow that has left Scotland with restricted routes to the World.