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October Southampton performance was a little less disappointing than August and September with some strong domestic numbers. Overall passengers were down 3.1% to 171,000. 2m still holding for the 12 month rolling period. Load factors must be much improved because Oct'18 saw almost 9% less flights than Oct'17.
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KLM pull out of sou
As of march 26th KLM have discontinued their Southampton - amsterdam route.
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Yikes - do you have a source ? - no announcements officially on the www as yet
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Originally Posted by Ejet1993
(Post 10324849)
As of march 26th KLM have discontinued their Southampton - amsterdam route.
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Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10325036)
Yikes - do you have a source ? - no announcements officially on the www as yet
I wonder if we'll see a codeshare with Flybe? |
There is already a codeshare as far as I’m aware. Both KL and BE flight numbers are available on connections. What strikes me as odd is how SOU can’t sustain this route given that one would have thought the majority of customers would be connecting. It always annoyed me how high the fares were for connecting flights. If they don’t compete more effectively with LHR and LGW on connecting air fares then it doesn’t stand a chance. |
Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10325064)
There is already a codeshare as far as I’m aware. Both KL and BE flight numbers are available on connections. What strikes me as odd is how SOU can’t sustain this route given that one would have thought the majority of customers would be connecting. It always annoyed me how high the fares were for connecting flights. If they don’t compete more effectively with LHR and LGW on connecting air fares then it doesn’t stand a chance. |
The one way fares to AMS in March are dirt cheap - if confirmed, certainly challenges the perception that SOU is a goldmine waiting to be exploited. They make MME, HUY, NWI work. Runway length, parking stands, backtracking etc can't be having that much of an impact on KLM?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10325084)
The one way fares to AMS in March are dirt cheap - if confirmed, certainly challenges the perception that SOU is a goldmine waiting to be exploited. They make MME, HUY, NWI work. Runway length, parking stands, backtracking etc can't be having that much of an impact on KLM?
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It's not looking good for SOU,how many airlines over the last few years have come and gone?,if FLybe remain they will surely cut some services.
The lack of airside investment has finally hit hard,with BOU on the up with what seems a progressive management attracting routes,perhaps AMS is next on there list? Can SOU survive long-term? ,It's got to be a question on many lips. |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10325036)
Yikes - do you have a source ? - no announcements officially on the www as yet
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The lack of airside investment has finally hit hard or the other airlines which have come and gone? Maybe it is what it is and BE are serving the market that is there? |
Airside investment wouldn't make any difference to KLM. The runway and stands can easily cope with E175/190 flying a very short route and there is enough for one to overnight as well if they wanted to. It must be quite concerning for the airport having just released an ambitious expansion plan to potentially not even be able to sustain KLM's hub link. I also would presume they are currently the second largest carrier passenger wise, meaning if these rumours are true the dependence on Flybe will have increased even further...
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Very interesting times indeed. I do think it’s odd for KLM to onky do a double daily service with no overnight aircraft when they can sustain 4 times daily at Bristol while also comoeting with easyJet. Perhaps it’s a lack of aircraft availability? Has KLM been doing much advertising in the region? I noticed a couple of TV ads... |
Disappointing and surprised for Southampton to loose KLM after 2 years on the route Prehaps the market just isn’t there, that they think there is , and only room for Flybe Could be a whole host of things we are not privy to for them to pull out , but it certainly doesn’t help the image of the airport if they can’t attract the likes of Air France and KLM to the airport |
While I'm not privy to the details, it may be a case of leaving this to Flybe/codeshare in favour of starting something else with those slots...
..still its not to late to load flights! |
The puzzling thing about this is that on the face of it, the flights appeared to be doing well. There were sometimes light loads on the midweek morning flights, but most rotations appeared to be at least 90% LF, often full. So you'd assume the business class seats were selling as well as economy, which would have helped yield. Of course the only people who'll know are KLM. The route will continue with Flybe and I guess we could see a return to the old days of a KLM codeshare. It's a kick in the stones for the airport though, losing a world-renowned carrier and skyteam alliance connection. 2mppa might be harder to maintain next year as a result. By my maths that'll be approximately 100,000 less seats per year without KLM. I really thought that KLM were one of those airlines who, once they started serving somewhere, stuck with it. What was the last airport that they dropped in the UK, was it Liverpool? |
I really hope this is not actually happening and just a rumour. I take this flight a lot and much prefer the jet over Flymaybes Q400 |
Seems strange timing when BE's situation is unresolved and KLM could have potentially capitalised on any AMS route reduction as part of a BE/new owner network cull!
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10325277)
I really hope this is not actually happening and just a rumour. I take this flight a lot and much prefer the jet over Flymaybes Q400 |
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