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Expressflight 9th Apr 2019 16:23

Regarding early and late trains - yes, it's likely they will be in the timetable coming out soon.

DC3 Dave 9th Apr 2019 18:33


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10443488)
Regarding early and late trains - yes, it's likely they will be in the timetable coming out soon.

Whilst I will always defer to your knowledge of aviation, Greater Anglia's May timetable is out and the last London bound train remains 23:05.

The last Tfl (Crossrail service) from Sheffield departs 23:44. We will have to wait until services through London commence to see if running hours are extended, if that happens I could see a later shuttle service between Southend and Shenfield.


​​​​​​Just to add this: The first train from London will arrive at 06:31 in the new timetable.

​​​​​​​As said previously, timetables are developed in May and December. Any changes introduced between are just technical - add a minute here, take 30 secs away elsewhere.


SEN Observer 9th Apr 2019 21:20

[QUOTE=DC3 Dave;10443581]

"As said previously, timetables are developed in May and December. Any changes introduced between are just technical - add a minute here, take 30 secs away elsewhere."


Try telling that to Govia Thameslink passengers. Timetables can be radically altered at very short notice. Not saying this will happen here, but short notice changes are not impossible! We'll just have to wait and see.

southside bobby 10th Apr 2019 06:49

Come off it the RYR base was announced 13.6.18 !!...10 months ago & of course worked up long before that.

Stobart are "winging it" as usual.

Expressflight 10th Apr 2019 06:50

The timetable on the GA website is still that from 9th December 2018. When I spoke with them yesterday they said the new timetable has not yet been published and, in answer to my question about early and late trains, said that with new timetable/trains coming coming in, this (early and late trains) may be the case but that (the person I was speaking to) wasn't aware of the specifics so it would be best to wait until the timetable has been published. Make of that what you will.

DC3 Dave 10th Apr 2019 07:52


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10443910)
The timetable on the GA website is still that from 9th December 2018. When I spoke with them yesterday they said the new timetable has not yet been published and, in answer to my question about early and late trains, said that with new timetable/trains coming coming in, this (early and late trains) may be the case but that (the person I was speaking to) wasn't aware of the specifics so it would be best to wait until the timetable has been published. Make of that what you will.

​​​​​The working (staff) timetable is published long before. You are correct,in saying the public one is not yet available. Here is a summary of significant changes on various lines from Network Rail. Perhaps we should move on before we are sent packing off to some train spotters' forum. I shall of course lay prostrate at your feet and beg forgiveness if you are proved correct.

National Rail Enquiries - Changes to the National Rail Timetable

How are Ryanair settling in after the first week?

Expressflight 10th Apr 2019 08:11

I've just spotted something interesting on the National Rail website. If you book the earliest and latest trains to/from SIA up until early June the existing times all appear. If you book the first and last current trains from 10th June your attention is drawn to a note to which says "... some additional services may be missing from the journey planner." I think that is significant.

Expressflight 10th Apr 2019 08:44


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10443950)
​​​​​How are Ryanair settling in after the first week?

Things have run very smoothly apart from a couple of diversions of RYR aircraft on Monday evening due to fog at SEN. On Tuesday morning they ran the early SEN-DUB-SEN in reverse using a DUB aircraft and also sent an additional aircraft from STN early Tuesday morning to ensure no undue delays to the first wave outbound. I think most people have been surprised at the landing performance of the 738SFP at SEN - most landings on 23 clear via Charlie and some on 05 via Bravo. Many PMI and ALC flights for example have shown as 'sold out', as have some DUB flights, but I don't have any definite numbers on any of the routes as yet.

DC3 Dave 10th Apr 2019 09:10

I hate myself for doing so, but going back to trains, here is a summary of the shutdowns planned in the next 12 months. You will note it includes a complete shutdown between 25th May and 2nd June from Southend to Wickford.

https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/southend-improvements

SWBKCB 10th Apr 2019 10:15


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10443997)
I think most people have been surprised at the landing performance of the 738SFP at SEN - most landings on 23 clear via Charlie and some on 05 via Bravo.

All good, but on a short, narrow runway the test will come when it gets wet and windy.

Tagron 10th Apr 2019 10:49


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10444072)
All good, but on a short, narrow runway the test will come when it gets wet and windy.

The point being missed here is the difference between the demonstrated performance of the -800SFP (and for that matter any aircraft) and the factored performance. It is the factored performance that is required for airport and route planning together with pre flight planning on the day. The incremental factor is 60%. As an example it follows that if an aircraft can be scheduled to land on a 1600m runway at a given weight, the demonstrated landing distance will be 1000m. The line pilots may not wish to emulate the Boeing test pilots who generated that data but there remains a big gap between the two figures of which advantage can be taken.

So I am not the least surprised by the observations from SEN. It is what is to be expected. The whole purpose of the factoring is to ensure safety margins in day to day operations. Anyone expecting to see the -SFP only just stopping before the end of the SEN runway was bound to be disappointed.

Expressflight 10th Apr 2019 11:58

Tagron

I certainly wasn't suggesting that anyone was "expecting to see the -SFP only just stopping before the end of the runway" but my impression is that the RYR aircraft vacate via Charlie more frequently than do the EZY aircraft. Moreover, Charlie is only 1,000m into the LDA on 23 so perhaps they use autobrake 3 as a SOP at SEN.

SARF 10th Apr 2019 12:19

Ryan air doing a few laps before landing this lunchtime

GiveMeABreak 10th Apr 2019 12:24

Fire engine broke down on the runway.

Tagron 10th Apr 2019 12:41

Expressflight

No it certainly was not you I had in mind with that comment. It was the suggestions from some others that seemed to indicate an area of misunderstanding, both here and on other threads.
It would also seem possible to me that those RYR inbounds last week could have been lightly loaded - start of the season and start of new services - that would not be unusual.. In high summer with full loads and higher ambient temperatures brake cooling issues could come into play which could impact on turn round times. Then the option to use positive braking to make an early turn off would be less attractive. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

SARF 10th Apr 2019 13:07

Those delays in landing are allowing BA to be a nuciance now. Lol

Expressflight 10th Apr 2019 14:06


Originally Posted by SARF (Post 10444223)
Those delays in landing are allowing BA to be a nuciance now. Lol

Yes, a nice hour's training a little earlier for a BACF E170 flying very accurate circuits.

737aviator 10th Apr 2019 17:30


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10444166)
Tagron
Moreover, Charlie is only 1,000m into the LDA on 23 so perhaps they use autobrake 3 as a SOP at SEN.

Autobrake max & max reverse mandatory. 3 is nowhere near enough on a 737 to stop in 1000m with average landing weights.

Expressflight 10th Apr 2019 17:59


Originally Posted by 737aviator (Post 10444418)
Autobrake max & max reverse mandatory. 3 is nowhere near enough on a 737 to stop in 1000m with average landing weights.

How are RYR achieving this then during normal SEN Ops, as I thought autobrake 3 is the maximum? Perhaps I'm mistaken in that belief.

LTNman 10th Apr 2019 19:11

The terms of the franchise will dictate the rail timetable which will specify the times of the first and last trains. If it isn’t a requirement to operate more trains then it probably won’t happen as it will be a cost to the business.


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