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compton3bravo 6th Apr 2019 06:53

No Dave your health is everything, believe me. Some late night arrivals tonight and no trains to London, not ideal by any means.

Expressflight 6th Apr 2019 07:46


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10440452)
No Dave your health is everything, believe me. Some late night arrivals tonight and no trains to London, not ideal by any means.

You are correct on both counts. The bespoke taxi service available seems able to cater, so far, for the numbers of pax missing the last train, although at £27.50 to Liverpool Street it's obviously not ideal. Apparently some train drivers at Ilford are being rostered onto 'airport duties' in the near future so whether that might mean earlier and later trains from May I don't know.

PLAMALTN 7th Apr 2019 20:30

So as promised - Tried the Approach on RW27 at EGLC in the 737-800 simulator and lets just say we made it in but it weren't pretty! PM was calling unstable most of the way down the approach!! I think our VSI was around -1200ft or more, Flap 40 and Airspeed sat around 119kts!! Tanks were a tad over a tonne, I'll keep trying with some legal amounts but don't fancy my chances :-)

SARF 7th Apr 2019 22:39

Careful. I’d hate for you to knock my old office over.. er or not

rog747 8th Apr 2019 07:42


Originally Posted by PLAMALTN (Post 10441847)
So as promised - Tried the Approach on RW27 at EGLC in the 737-800 simulator and lets just say we made it in but it weren't pretty! PM was calling unstable most of the way down the approach!! I think our VSI was around -1200ft or more, Flap 40 and Airspeed sat around 119kts!! Tanks were a tad over a tonne, I'll keep trying with some legal amounts but don't fancy my chances :-)

I read some Boeing blurb that a 737NG could be offered for LCY ops - I do think they were meaning the 737-700 with SFP not the 738

Smartwings land their 737-700's at Paros Island with payload restricted to 120 pax

Expressflight 8th Apr 2019 12:19

Rumours seem to be growing that early and late trains on the Liverpool Street line might soon be introduced. The latest report suggests that these would terminate/originate at SEN and operate with limited stops from/to Liverpool Street.

mikkie4 8th Apr 2019 12:58

reports from another forum has said that SEN has a notified RFF CAT 7 what ever that means(answers in plain English please)

Planespeaking 8th Apr 2019 13:11


Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10442391)
reports from another forum has said that SEN has a notified RFF CAT 7 what ever that means(answers in plain English please)

I hink you will find that refers to Rescue and Fire categories which have been upgraded to meet the B738 requirements.

tophat27dt 8th Apr 2019 14:03


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10442399)


I hink you will find that refers to Rescue and Fire categories which have been upgraded to meet the B738 requirements.

Correct sir!

DC3 Dave 8th Apr 2019 21:52


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10442362)
Rumours seem to be growing that early and late trains on the Liverpool Street line might soon be introduced. The latest report suggests that these would terminate/originate at SEN and operate with limited stops from/to Liverpool Street.


Can't happen. No crossover for the train. Could put one in or build a bay road (3rd platform), but that's not something that can be done overnight. Early trains to London are more than adequate, but there's nothing to hope for other than 1 additional train in the evening. There's an army of workers waiting to access the track every night after the last train, and every train has to be prepared for the next day's service.

SEN Observer 9th Apr 2019 06:00


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10442814)
Can't happen. No crossover for the train. Could put one in or build a bay road (3rd platform), but that's not something that can be done overnight. Early trains to London are more than adequate, but there's nothing to hope for other than 1 additional train in the evening. There's an army of workers waiting to access the track every night after the last train, and every train has to be prepared for the next day's service.

Could be done. Not aware of where the nearest crossover is in the London direction but the whole line is signalled for single line working so it would not be too far away or single track working would be nigh on impossible After the last SOV train has run single line working could be employed from SEN to the first crossover. There wouldn't be too may trains to allow for this. As far as engineering possession goes, this may have to be shortened by an hour and a half or so each night; if this happens with this delay that means the last train could be at about 00:30. I have never worked on the railway so perhaps I'm talking rubbish. Just my thoughts on the subject.

AirportPlanner1 9th Apr 2019 06:12

I doubt very much they work on either of the two lines every single night of the week, let alone both of them. The GA mainline for example has freight running through the night to/from Stratford jct. Therefore it would be possible to run a later/earlier train in either direction. It’s more likely an issue with staff contracts or some weird railway bureaucracy, although if it were such a thing they overcame it during the Olympics.

virginblue 9th Apr 2019 07:30

Why can't they simply let the train continue to Victoria just two stations down the line (and in doing so, have some more punters going to/from Southend onboard)?

SEN Observer 9th Apr 2019 09:08


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10443023)
Why can't they simply let the train continue to Victoria just two stations down the line (and in doing so, have some more punters going to/from Southend onboard)?

Depends on what limited stops means. If it was only going to stop at, say, Shenfield, Romford and Stratford on the way then there would probably not be enough at Southend Vic to warrant it. Also perhaps rowdy club goers on their way home wouldn't be welcome on what is intended to be an airport train, throwing up on foreign visitors for instance. If it does come about, and starts it's journey at SEN, then there must be some reason behind the decision. Part funded by Stobart??







davidjohnson6 9th Apr 2019 10:21

I'm possibly being a bit thick, but what is there against the airport providing a subsidy to National Express or another coach company for early morning / late night ? It solves all the problems of rail engineering works, and means rather than one single train service with 300+ seats (and potentially a very long wait between services) you can instead have coaches spaced at regular intervals. Maybe set up some revenue sharing scheme so coach and train have interchangeable tickets. If these coaches can show up in the national rail timetable this would encourage potential passengers

Stansted had far more pax per year than Southend does before early morning / late night trains were introduced. I really think that some sort of interim and lower cost scheme is needed to ensure demand can be proven further to all the relevant stakeholders in a train service

SEN Observer 9th Apr 2019 10:44

National Express tried a late coach a couple of years or so ago. It only lasted a few months.

AirportPlanner1 9th Apr 2019 10:46

They got National Express signed up a while back, sadly it was launched during the winter when there were few flights and even fewer that needed late/early buses. It didn’t last long. It probably would now be more viable.

DC3 Dave 9th Apr 2019 11:03


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10443150)
The nearest crossover is just east of Hockley Station, about 5km from SEN, so that seems feasible for such a plan. The last London-bound train leaves Hockley at 23.12.

They will not wrong road a train that distance with Southend bound trains still on the down.

​​​​​​Anyway, the timetable changes in May and the last London bound train remains 23:05. Timetables are planned a year or so in advance, so the next revision - Dec 2019 - will be more or less set in stone by now.

If the train operator could get away with it they would simply run trains to London in the morning and back to Southend in the evening peak. They are contractually required to run an off-peak service, it's the only reason they do so.

The only way Southend Airport will get late night services to London is if it becomes a contractual requirement when the franchise comes up for renewal.

DJ is right. A coach service is required, I am surprised no one has come forward given the increased in pax
numbers.

southside bobby 9th Apr 2019 13:52

"Hundreds of passengers stranded" last night with 8 flights diverting away due fog according to the Echo then.

Expressflight 9th Apr 2019 14:52


Originally Posted by SEN Observer (Post 10443193)
National Express tried a late coach a couple of years or so ago. It only lasted a few months.

It was very badly promoted and started in the low season. I eventually found the timetable at the Moneycorp desk in the check-in hall which is about the last place one would expect. Stobart decided they didn't want it costing them £20,000 per month for so little return and it was pulled.

There is currently a Andrews Taxi/Southend Airport joint experimental coach service from SEN to Upminster Tube station, apparently running hourly from 09.15 to 22.30 each day at a cost of £10. This is mentioned on the SEN website only in the 'Rail Replacement' notice so people thinking of using a coach during the day are unlikely to find out about it. Oh, and you can only get further information about it "from the Taxi Marshal" - very helpful if you wanted to book in advance. Not very impressive.


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