The press releases about the new Express Trains said "Abellio has promised to make a £600 million investment into rail services, including the replacement of its fleet with 33 bi-mode trains built by Hitachi. that will link cities in the North and East Midlands to London St Pancras, as well as serving Luton, Corby, Kettering, Wellingborough and Bedford."=left Sounds like Noorf of Luton to me! |
Depends if you call Corby Intercity. There will be 3 East Midland Railway brands and Parkway is getting the EMR Electric brand. No mention of Luton Airport Express branding. The trains are second hand but updated and will look like commuter stock with a flat nose and tail.
https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/ea.../54389.article Class 360 stock and this is the previous owner https://www.angeltrains.co.uk/Produc...nger-Trains/19 |
Construction update
The Gateway Bridge is gradually being seen again after a few weeks of being wrapped in plastic sheeting. Street lights and crash barriers have been removed for the big move at the end of the month.
https://i.imgur.com/zslXgBM.jpg Meanwhile at Parkway the passenger route to Kimpton Road from the railway station has been moved. Also as seen, the framework for the glass and sliding doors can be seen by the Dart platforms. https://i.imgur.com/wnaLAGA.jpg. Work has started on digging out Taxiway Bravo for the cut and cover Dart tunnel. https://i.imgur.com/MbnrMhz.jpg The dual carriageway inside the CTA has now moved to over the tunnel with also a reroute of the bus station road. The existing tunnel edge can be seen to the right of the airport bus at the road junction. The contractors have now taken control of the final piece of the Dart route. https://i.imgur.com/6XO5Hlg.jpg Finally the former drop off zone is now being marked out with parking bays. For who and why is a mystery https://i.imgur.com/X9kA111.jpg |
Wizz Passenger numbers to Scandinavia are still bleak |
Seems Wizz has discovered that rich Scandinavia is not in poor Eastern Europe. Saying that the old Copenhagen battle between EasyJet and Ryanair showed that £10 fares filled aircraft. Wonder how non-EU Russia is doing?
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10612824)
Seems Wizz has discovered that rich Scandinavia is not in poor Eastern Europe. Saying that the old Copenhagen battle between EasyJet and Ryanair showed that £10 fares filled aircraft. Wonder how non-EU Russia is doing?
Nothing to do with the intense competition on this route, especially going into the winter season where everyone loses money. Compare London to Oslo to London to Katowice - not exactly like for like in terms of capacity. |
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 10612829)
I don’t understand this anti Eastern Europe agenda? Think you need to read this https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...in-europe.html |
Wiz to Russia is doing quite well, breaking 200 pax more often than not. meanwhile BGO for example is usually less than 70.. |
Originally Posted by CAP A330
(Post 10614396)
Wiz to Russia is doing quite well, breaking 200 pax more often than not. meanwhile BGO for example is usually less than 70.. |
Can't see them sticking around on BGO, how is St Petersburg doing? Flight times are terrible for pax, but great for airplane utilisation! |
Well despite the report to the contrary from "a well placed TUI source" on here a few weeks back, I'm pleased to report that the TUI program for Winter 2020 & Summer 2021 is now on sale and features a program from LTN using TUI based aircraft!
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Originally Posted by boeing_eng
(Post 10614764)
Well despite the report to the contrary from "a well placed TUI source" on here a few weeks back, I'm pleased to report that the TUI program for Winter 2020 & Summer 2021 is now on sale and features a program from LTN using TUI based aircraft!
It is indeed a rumour, but a lot can change between now and Summer 2021. |
It was alluded in the original posting that the base would close at the end of Summer 2020...no rumour! As I mentioned at the time, more importantly no front-line TUI staff were aware of this and the company are actually basing a decent number of new captains at LTN for this coming Summer (with obviously no mention being made to them of any impending base closure!)
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The rumour was actually given to me as a fact by someone working for TUI in Wigmore House who would be in the know. I have no way to authenticate what I was told but this pre dates the Thomas Cook collapse.
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I appreciate the info was no doubt passed on in good faith LTNman. Obviously there would be major repercussions for a good number of TUI staff if the LTN base was to close and reading about such potential news here whilst nothing had been said by the company was naturally slightly concerning!
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Originally Posted by CAP A330
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FlyBosnia
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Opens up a whole raft of possible new destinations.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...eoxlr-purchase |
I have noticed that the Gateway Bridge being finished off opposite the Ibis has picked up a temporary attached red aircraft warning light at the top of its ski ramp. Still can’t get my head around how such a tall structure (see photo post 3043) will end up by the end of the approach lights and just to their side when those approach lights are not even a full set but a much shorter version due to the location of the A1081.
Anyone with a long memory will remember the Dan Air 727 that took out not only the ILS aerials but also the approach lights as it dropped into the valley below. What would have happened if a Gateway type structure was there at the time? |
...and anyone without a long memory can read about it here:
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19740621-0 The picture of the light gantry in the report is instructive - compare the flimsy construction to the new bridge structure. |
Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10616719)
I have noticed that the Gateway Bridge being finished off opposite the Ibis has picked up a temporary attached red aircraft warning light at the top of its ski ramp. Still can’t get my head around how such a tall structure (see photo post 3043) will end up by the end of the approach lights and just to their side when those approach lights are not even a full set but a much shorter version due to the location of the A1081.
Anyone with a long memory will remember the Dan Air 727 that took out not only the ILS aerials but also the approach lights as it dropped into the valley below. What would have happened if a Gateway type structure was there at the time? |
Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10616763)
...and anyone without a long memory can read about it here:
https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=19740621-0 The picture of the light gantry in the report is instructive - compare the flimsy construction to the new bridge structure. https://i.imgur.com/uKByIk1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5My9usg.jpg |
This is the outline plan to expand the airport to around 22.5 million passengers.
Plans include another extension to the front of the terminal by building an extension that will sit at an angle and butt against the bus bays. Expansion of the boarding gate area in the north of the exiting terminal Renewal of the original boarding gate area to the western part of the terminal which is the former duty free shop and associated wooden structure. New pier and apron opposite the new multi story car park and drop off area. Quart and pint pots come to mind as there is no expansion to the departure lounge. I make this terminal extension number 17 as the original terminal is still in use. Also no sooner will the CTA be finished with the Dart in 2021 then construction within the CTA would well start all over again. https://i.imgur.com/3WA7tM5.jpg |
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....293cdebf4e.png These are taken from the documentation last month https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....97a064faf8.png |
The six pack to the East of the runup bay is shown in grey because it already committed to with an approved tender?
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Heh heh. Good old English planning. Bit by Bit, make it up as we go along, hoping no one will notice. Same process for the M25, they applied for all the sections piecemeal.
I like the non-English: "Section 1.4 describes the process of optioneering ..." great jargon. |
Originally Posted by pabely
(Post 10617920)
The six pack to the East of the runup bay is shown in grey because it already committed to with an approved tender?
Also it is not 32 million it is 38 million but the council cannot admit it otherwise it will cost them a lot of money. By applying for 32 million and then adding another 6 million later they don’t become liable for big bills away from the airport for major infrastructure projects needed to support a bigger airport. |
LTN Terminal 2
Just had a read over the proposed plans for terminal 2 in the 'Future Luton Scheme development' report and it looks as though LTN is finally set to have jet bridges on both new piers when it opens. I'm sure that many people on here (as well as passengers and airlines) will agree that this is a long overdue and welcome change. A definite step in the right direction. Airlines such as LY, EZY and TUI frequently use jet bridges at other airports, so I'm sure that they'll welcome the news. Even W6 use them some of the airports they serve (e.g. LGW, OTP, FRA), so will be interesting to see if they opt in to use them at LTN, especially given that they are the second biggest carrier here now.
Also, I note that the report mentions nine new stands will be capable of servicing long haul aircraft, namely 787 and 359, but realistically cannot see these coming to the airport anytime soon, at least on a regularly scheduled basis. Although perhaps TUI might consider offering seasonal LTN-SFB/LTN-MLB flights at some point? Certainly, interesting times ahead for LTN. |
The report actually says air bridges if required by airlines. What that has meant in the past is that if airlines pay for them which they won’t.
The artists impression of the new terminal front is just that, an impression that won’t be delivered. History has taught us that what is proposed and what is actually built is very different so I cannot even be bothered to reproduce a fantasy photo here that will never be built. |
Originally Posted by JW95
(Post 10618386)
Also, I note that the report mentions nine new stands will be capable of servicing long haul aircraft, namely 787 and 359, but realistically cannot see these coming to the airport anytime soon, at least on a regularly scheduled basis.
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Construction update
Railings have been attached to the curved Gateway bridge which is now just waiting for the painting to be finished before the big move. Careful examination shows the temporary power cable for the red aircraft warning light
https://i.imgur.com/nm3NH9m.jpg Taxiway Bravo continues to be dug out. In the distance to the right of the departing Wizz sheeting for a shallow Dart trench is being piled in the mid term car park. In the top right hand corner can be seen the Gateway Bridge https://i.imgur.com/EjXezqq.jpg One part of the twin Dart tunnel https://i.imgur.com/lrk70hw.jpg Central station is getting its roof supports installed plus the beams to keep the walls apart. https://i.imgur.com/6i6msFC.jpg Maintenance area for Dart has had its temporary yellow jacks removed https://i.imgur.com/GFMhRlz.jpg Bus station seems to be growing wider with a new wall going in. A non-commissioned bus bay has finally been completed with what looks like another one being built. https://i.imgur.com/YXpiueJ.jpg |
During the regular weekend night closure, are flights being brought forward/backwards to avoid the closure period, not operated at all, or being moved elsewhere?
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What night closures? There was/is one closure this month due to annual maintenance. Don't know of anything else
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As jet bridges enforce a one person at a time method thst slow things down, why have them for LCC? As per recent boarding thread in PAX forum.
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Originally Posted by PAXboy
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As jet bridges enforce a one person at a time method thst slow things down, why have them for LCC? As per recent boarding thread in PAX forum.
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10621212)
At the stage of an airbridge that close to an aircraft doesn't any method (including flimsy external integral aircraft airstairs) mean 'one person at a time' ? Ive certainly been down an airbridge with another in parallel? |
There was one (night closure) this last weekend. I had thought it was weekly during November - possibly mistakenly.
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10621267)
There was one (night closure) this last weekend. I had thought it was weekly during November - possibly mistakenly.
This has now finished. |
I only saw one closure listed for one night although another date could have been listed after the first one ended as I didn’t take much notice of the actual date. There was plenty of notice given including a date for the annual runway charity run.
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