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mwm991 19th Dec 2015 07:54

Another major carrier is most definitely welcome. I'm off to the States for work in the summer, so this is another nice hub to have on offer.

EZY is the direct leisure market while the majority of people using AF will be connecting onwards I'd imagine, so like CC says I can't see that existing service being affected.

willy wombat 19th Dec 2015 15:33

Interesting choice of aircraft type from AF.

nivsy 21st Dec 2015 13:05

Indeed, CDG-GLA just does not seem to last with AF, but I do like the sound of using A318's.....(never flown on one I think). Hope it works.

Is GLA really only holding around 7.5M pax a year? I think the last time I paid attention to pax figures showed that EDI was overtaking the wetsern side of the country airport, but I see EDI now has in excess of 10M.....why has GLA lost out so much?

Maybe RYR are developing stronger at GLA now that they have moved from PIK (on the whole)..

mwm991 21st Dec 2015 14:17


Originally Posted by nivsy (Post 9216937)
Indeed, CDG-GLA just does not seem to last with AF, but I do like the sound of using A318's.....(never flown on one I think). Hope it works.

Is GLA really only holding around 7.5M pax a year? I think the last time I paid attention to pax figures showed that EDI was overtaking the wetsern side of the country airport, but I see EDI now has in excess of 10M.....why has GLA lost out so much?

Maybe RYR are developing stronger at GLA now that they have moved from PIK (on the whole)..

Edinburgh has more inbound tourism, is home of the central government and it also serves a much wider area. Places such as Dundee use Edinburgh as its main airport and it also sits on the western edge of the city so a lot of people on the eastern edges of Glasgow will also use it.

mwm991 21st Dec 2015 15:23

Does anyone know how the Glasgow to Munich service has fared? With Air France now at the airport Lufthansa are probably the next big carrier with little to no presence at the airport, with the lone once weekly seasonal service.

nivsy 21st Dec 2015 18:32

Thought there was a daily LH to DUS?

CabinCrewe 21st Dec 2015 19:26

its Eurowings or whatever theyre currently called, and its not daily

Ethiopia 21st Dec 2015 21:36

Wizz Air starts operating Bucharest - Glasgow route

LandingConfig 21st Dec 2015 21:47

@nivsy It's a bit harsh to say that it 'just does not seem to last' - it was last operated by AF 17 years ago.

GLA's rolling figure is circa 8.7 million just now. GLA loses out to EDI because of the large inbound tourism market in Edinburgh. EDI took off in the last few years thanks to new ownership and carriers came flocking. Glasgow is also split between two airports, GLA and PIK, albeit PIK seeing less than 1m pax per annum. The catchment areas are similar for both GLA and EDI.

Re DUS, it's operated by Eurowings. It's currently 4x weekly but will return to 6x weekly in May. Equipment also switches from CRJ900 to A320 in October.

@mwm991 I'm led to believe that the MUC service did well in 2015. In 2016 it will operate in the morning rather than last year's late afternoon service.

GLAEDI 21st Dec 2015 21:53


Originally Posted by nivsy (Post 9216937)
Indeed, CDG-GLA just does not seem to last with AF, but I do like the sound of using A318's.....(never flown on one I think). Hope it works.

Is GLA really only holding around 7.5M pax a year? I think the last time I paid attention to pax figures showed that EDI was overtaking the wetsern side of the country airport, but I see EDI now has in excess of 10M.....why has GLA lost out so much?

Maybe RYR are developing stronger at GLA now that they have moved from PIK (on the whole)..

Not to get in a East/West conflict but the difference between the airports can be taken back to demise of Zoom & Globespan, the growth of FR at PIK and sell off at different times by BAA/HAL.

Glasgow will break the 9m or be very close to it this year, returning eventually to 2004 figures. A lot of that growth can be put down to FR moving from PIK to GLA and Wizzair. International traffic growth is about 12% and domestic around 7%.

A350Saltire 21st Dec 2015 22:52

I do think FR will add another couple of aircraft at GLA over the next year but I also expect them to expand at EDI too.

10M per annum shouldn't be too far in the future for GLA. EDI passed in the 11M for the rolling year with the November pax stats and with next year's new routes (of which there are many), I fully expect EDI to be around 12M pax per annum.

nivsy 22nd Dec 2015 08:42

:eek:

Is it really 17 years ago that AF "quit" GLA? I really am getting old - I remember when living there hopping on AF B737 to and from De Gaulle...it really was a long time ago I left my home city!! Still always a pleasure returning.....(except for the walk from the shuttle gates!)...and ever so grateful for the EZY AGP-GLA service...just dont touch it!


Nivsy

VickersVicount 23rd Dec 2015 09:20

Is VS GLA-LAS gone for next Autumn? Doesnt seem to be bookable (having appeared at one point). Presumably the now twice weekly TCX service all summer is more than enough? Did seem like a lot to have three services at one stage going from nothing. Excellent to see VS increase their ever successful scheduled MCO route for S16 and extending into W16. Wonder if VS would dabble with another? Havana or other Carribean could do well. An additional 747 doing JFK, MIA, SFO, LAX each once or twice a week aimed at the TCX-esque leisure traveller might do well.

mwm991 23rd Dec 2015 11:44


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 9218653)
Is VS GLA-LAS gone for next Autumn? Doesnt seem to be bookable (having appeared at one point). Presumably the now twice weekly TCX service all summer is more than enough? Did seem like a lot to have three services at one stage going from nothing. Excellent to see VS increase their ever successful scheduled MCO route for S16 and extending into W16. Wonder if VS would dabble with another? Havana or other Carribean could do well. An additional 747 doing JFK, MIA, SFO, LAX each once or twice a week aimed at the TCX-esque leisure traveller might do well.

I guess much of that will depend on how sustainable the LAS service proves to be in its second full summer.

Given the right price I know a lot of people who would use a BOS or JFK service. I think an MIA service could also be successful given how well the Med party destinations appear to do from GLA/PIK. I think they would be more cautious choices before SFO/LAX.

mwm991 23rd Dec 2015 11:48

What I'm also wondering is how long it will be before GLA pursues the remaning Ryanair routes at Prestwick? With PIK haemorraging money and a huge increase in the route network over the last 18 months, it must surely be something quietly on the agenda.

ScotsSLF 30th Dec 2015 14:44

Turkish @ GLA
 
Turkish at GLA today - reason?

PPRuNeUser0176 30th Dec 2015 14:48

Diverted from DUB.

ScotsSLF 30th Dec 2015 15:23

Thanks - noted that it was headed to DUB so that should put some rumours to bed!

sf01 1st Jan 2016 13:03

Seems that VS has changed the end date for the Orlando flights till the end of November instead of October . They will only operate on a Friday.

Could this mean another route for the winter as sending and aircraft up to GLA for one day might be a waste.

From VS website
Glasgow (GLA) to Orlando (MCO)
Departing Friday 18 November 2016
Virgin Atlantic
Depart:
11:00
Arrive:
14:50
Duration:
8 hrs 50 mins
Flight number: VS071
Boeing 747-400 Passenger

CabinCrewe 2nd Jan 2016 20:59

Thats what they initially did so I wouldnt read anything into that and its only for 5 weeks. Plus isnt it once weekly positioner for BFS next year too? With the withdrawal of LAS, thats the last of VS expanded routes for the forseeable id say.


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