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eggc 10th Mar 2015 11:34

Chinese Gulf just arrived. Fingers crossed its bring news with it.

viscount702 10th Mar 2015 11:40

I feel a damp squib coming on

Logohu 10th Mar 2015 12:23

Maybe they heard about the wonders of the great wall of Piccadilly Gardens and just couldn't wait any longer for the direct flights to be announced ?:rolleyes:

Betablockeruk 10th Mar 2015 12:32


I feel a damp squib coming on
Well done for the correct quote:
Damp Squid: The top 10 misquoted phrases in Britain - Telegraph

That and the Terminal expansion project - announced in January....... :zzz:

It's not as if these two gems are without substance but frustratingly nothing happens!

Ever seen Peter Kay's baggage handler sketch? - where they throw an unclaimed bag on the carousel to see everyone get excited. Well that's how it feels!

nigel osborne 10th Mar 2015 14:10

EGGC,


Am told the biz jet belongs to Mandarin airlines a subsidiary of the China Airlines group so in itself if true nothing to do with Hainan or their brands ..

puzzling unless Hainan chartered it ?


Nigel

eggc 10th Mar 2015 15:13

...and hereth starts rumours of China Airlines starting MAN, with a first european short haul base for Mandarin :}

BHX5DME 10th Mar 2015 16:04

The Biz Jet was owned by Mandarin and is going to Gatwick next

Suzeman 10th Mar 2015 19:03


The Biz Jet was owned by Mandarin and is going to Gatwick next
I'm reliably informed that is a normal business trip and nothing to do with Hainan. A pure coincidence.

viscount702 10th Mar 2015 19:46


A pure coincidence.
On this occasion I don't think so.

There needs to be two events for their to be a coincidence and as far as I know there hasn't been a second one unless you count a possible announcement as one.

Therefore as I said earlier a damp squib.

Mind you bearing in mind we were led to believe there would be an announcement (which I thought there would be but not the one we hoped for) and the fact that there wasn't makes it not even a damp squib and just another non event.

I really am having my doubts about this now.

Suzeman 10th Mar 2015 20:16


On this occasion I don't think so.

There needs to be two events for their to be a coincidence and as far as I know there hasn't been a second one unless you count a possible announcement as one.
Yes I do :ooh:

ATNotts 10th Mar 2015 21:13

Chinese Gulfstream
 
The words "straws" and "clutch" come to mind!

Bagso 11th Mar 2015 00:08

HS2 Heathrow link R.I.P.

The HS2 link to Heathrow has been "quietly" shunted into the sidings.

BBC News - HS2: Heathrow spur plans dropped by transport minister More evidence of a fully integrated transport policy ......OR MAYBE NOT ?

This really is bizarre, my views on HS2 are unprintable BUT I concede IF you are going to spend billions on a new train set, throwing in a few extra bob to connect the UKs premier mega hub to the HS2 network would be a mandatory part of the equation would it not ?
More incredible is the fact that it was quietly filed away without a whimper !

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MIPIM

Absolute tsunami of good news from my favorite organ the M E N on the first day with the journos gushing at the masses of investment in Manchester including confirmation of the new tower, mega plans for Media City, NOMA etc. Anyone interested should investigate the multiple links on the business section.

In the same way that investment in London contributes to the welfare of Heathrow the same can also be said of Manchester and the airport !
Manchester now has the largest private investment outside London.

And further news just in we are "finally off and running" re Airport City with a modest 75,000 sq ft building, by comparison we currently have 200,000 sq ft at Eithad , Cussons etc

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....irport-8813762

I believe Lynda Shillaw who heads up Manchester Airport Group Divisional Chief Executive officer for property, addesses a "receptive" audience later today so there maybe more to come......

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And finally to my arch nemesis @VisitBritain. This is a incredible, it seems there is life beyond Buckingham Palace, The Tower Of London, etc...

I have just been greeted by masses of social media exposure linking Manchester, Manchester Airport, and American Airlines !

"can it be true?" Tourist locations (albeit Celtic in origin) , Manchester Airport, and one of its airlines ALL in one sentence ?

"Well yes it can..... http://yourbritishjourney.com

OK its not Gateway to The Lake District, Chester, Peak District, Chatsworth, Beatles Experience etc as one might have expected, it's actually not even a @VisitBritain initiative as it being heavily trailed by, wait for it ..... @VisitWales! (.....The marketing people at Cardiff Airport must be euphoric)


All a bit odd given the more obvious candidature of VisitEngland ?

BUT crucially it DOES come under the VisitBritain banner AND more importantly at last somebody has recognised there is a major airport outside London !

Gateway to Wales ? ...It may be an odd juxtaposition, but no complaints, not this time anyway, we'll take publicity from wherever it comes!

....I may need one of my pills !

Mr Mac 11th Mar 2015 12:44

Bagso
Cancellation of link, along with long term delay to HS3. It looks like a lot of train sets are being put away at the moment.


Regards
Mr Mac

Bagso 11th Mar 2015 14:17

Mr Mac

Much "weasle-ing" in the shire !

Transport Sec Patrick McLoughlin only appeared before the Transport Select Committee on Monday !!!!!!!

Not a sniff that this was coming, I think I am correct in saying it came out of the blue as a written answer the day after !

At least my fear that HS2 station outside T2 would simply turn Manchester into a long stay car park for Heathrow have been banished !

When asked about a High Speed Rail / Crossrail interchange at Old Oak Common, Former Transport Secretary Philip Hammond stated a few years back...

"Lug your heavy bags down a couple of escalators along 600m of corridor and then change trains at a wet suburban station somewhere in north west London. That is not an option."

....well it is now !

MANFOD 11th Mar 2015 14:31

Nice one Bagso. Of course, with the connectivity, and possibly increased frequencies if LHR gets R3, folk from Leeds and Manchester can still fly to LHR.

Mentioning Leeds, I came across this:

Leeds Bradford passengers can fast-track through Dublin airport to US (From York Press)

It shows, if proof were needed, that airports are very competitive businesses, and passengers are not automatically going to choose, or be encouraged locally, to fly from their nearest Gateway airport for long haul flights however many people and businesses reside in its catchment area. With LPL strongly supporting LHR expansion for connectivity and the expectation of flights to the hub, MAN will continue to have a fight on its hands, which is where fast train services come in. But we mustn't dwell on trains.

LAX_LHR 11th Mar 2015 17:01

Ryanai have increased some routes for August.




Faro now sees 3 flights on Mondays
Milan is 2 daily on Wed/Sun
Alicante is now 12 weekly (Im sure was only 10 weekly previously)

Bagso 11th Mar 2015 18:02

AA

"They spoil us do they not ":D

"Manchester is important to American and to our joint business with British Airways and so it is appropriate that it should be our UK launch market for these upgraded aircraft."

American Airlines B767 with new business seat to fly Manchester-New York JFK - Business Traveller

LAX_LHR 11th Mar 2015 18:36

Vueling will continue BCN-MAN year round.


Flights are loaded into the timetable Mondays and Fridays from Oct 26th.

Fairdealfrank 11th Mar 2015 21:44


Fairdealfrank
We are using the Premium class's that partly why EK put on the extra 380. The Business class cabin on the EK flights down to the Gulf is very rarely quiet and I do this route about twice a month. I believe the other mid east carriers are also well patronised at the front end. It is only anecdotal as I do not have the figures to back this up but by my feeling through observation, is that Manchester is doing fine with regards the front end loads.


Regards
Mr Mac
This is good to hear, but for more non-stop longhaul to work from Asia, etc., pax may need to wheen themselves off the various one-stop options.


Don't know why he thinks MAN pax don't support the front end.
On every LH, EK, QR flight I have been on, ex MAN, Bizz class has been full or very close to it.
Virtually all Air Transat Premium seats are sold out for the entire summer.
Very often demand outstrips supply, First, when available, may be a bit thin, but there certainly is no shortage of premium pax. Northerners aren't as tight as some people make out.
He doesn't (see my comments above), just think the non-stop options should be supported, or else they'll be pulled. Inevitably, this would be, in part, at the expense of the various one-stop options.

As for tight, it's traditionally Yorkshire and east Scotland ("you'll have had your tea then") folks, but we all know this isn't the case.


Fairdealfrank / Mr A Tis
Had further confirmation on West bound flight after discussion with my near neighbour who recently returned from Barbados with Virgin, and reported all the front end full. Also he bagged the last 2 Upper class seats available for this time next year on that route !. I do not go west that often these days, but all of East bound travel with SQ/EK /LH and recently CX have had 90%+ full Business class cabins, although like Mr A Tis said I do not know if First where available is that well patronised, I will ask next week.
Excellent, Ringway clearly has a good future.


Incidentally I do not know if a connection to Peking is that important as most of the business I and others have to go to in China are in Shanghai, and associated areas. From conversations with people on board flights to these areas, with old "China hands", this appears a common perception. On the back of that, a Shanghai service maybe more profitable, and would almost definitely have cargo potential as well. Also would get me home quicker if that is not too selfish !.


Regards
Mr Mac
Yes, Shanghai is China's business and finance powerhouse (just like Bombay in the case of India). China Eastern to/from Pudong would make sense.



This really is bizarre, my views on HS2 are unprintable BUT I concede IF you are going to spend billions on a new train set, throwing in a few extra bob to connect the UKs premier mega hub to the HS2 network would be a mandatory part of the equation would it not ?
More incredible is the fact that it was quietly filed away without a whimper !
Quite agree with both your points, Bagso. It may be academic, there's a strong possibility that HS2 will be scrapped after sufficient dosh has been wasted.

Clearly the best way to travel between Ringway and Heathrow is by air, and will remain so.


Bagso
Cancellation of link, along with long term delay to HS3. It looks like a lot of train sets are being put away at the moment.


Regards
Mr Mac
Yes, this is very bad, HS3 (sic) or an equivelant railway is needed as urgently as Heathrow expansion, and should take preference over HS2. It's a no-brainer!

Oh dear, have mention the R-word (railway). Better brace myself for another onslaught, possibly on another forum.



At least my fear that HS2 station outside T2 would simply turn Manchester into a long stay car park for Heathrow have been banished !

When asked about a High Speed Rail / Crossrail interchange at Old Oak Common, Former Transport Secretary Philip Hammond stated a few years back...

"Lug your heavy bags down a couple of escalators along 600m of corridor and then change trains at a wet suburban station somewhere in north west London. That is not an option."

....well it is now !
Clearly the best way to travel between Ringway and Heathrow is by air, and will remain so.

sarah19981 11th Mar 2015 23:31

hainan
 
Well what a long time it has took and finally I get a email from one of the managers at hainan airlines headqaters.

"Dear Sarah,

the route Manchester - Beijing will open up in May and Hainan Airlines will operate 4 flights per week using a Airbus A330-200.

Best regards
Your Hainan Airlines Team"

Now I'm confident of this route as the first time they have gone into details without me emailing them.
Also email sent to me at 6:03PM today
Thoughts on this guys?


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