I hope it's the same person Spannersatcx that told you CX would not be at MAN until 350's arrived ;) It'd be great to see it daily so soon. Have you access to cargo figures by any chance ?

Improvements to T1 Security.

High tech security lanes in Manchester Airport's Terminal 1 will allow through 1,200 trays an hour - Manchester Evening News

Ian B,

not sure visits by airlines to have a look around equates to a definite new service.

On that conjecture my local (BHX) would be as busy as LHR by now.

LAX-LHR.

Good point.

If I remember JAL used to do 3 flights a day into LHR then 2 then down to one. Point I was making is that IF JAL did reduce from 3 to 1 at LHR due to front end demand and have no idea if thats the case.

Is their enough demand for the same out of MAN..I don't know ?.

I certainly hope there is and that JAL do start from MAN .Great to see Cathay restart as well :)


Nigel

JAL had three per day out of LHR, 2x NRT and 1 x OSA. They're down to one HND with KIX expected to return on the B787. BA were 2 x NRT and 1 x OSA and now serve one each NRT and HND. Not sure MAN is too high on the list, Japan remains a weakened market.

EZY pu Santorini and Mykanos back on sale for autumn 2015☺

Sure I read somewhere MAN has much greater demand to Japan than Boston USA, but Boston gets JAL 787's...so never say never ;)

25T out on the first flt I'm told.

Also what I knew and what I was aloud to say about the pax flt starting are not one and the same, commercial sensitivity etc, and wanting to keep my job come into it!

That sounds quite impressive

No i know nigel but I believe 3 visits in about a month

Ian

New Easyjet route to Kefalonia snuck into the schedules.


2 weekly Tue/Fri.

I have been super critical of airport PR in last few years. Not anymore. Coverage in last few days has been a monumental stepup.

Skynews. Radio4. FT. The Telegraph. DailyExpress.

Sensational stuff.......not sure who is heading this up but it is excellent !

Was only looking this morning and didn't see it. Not one of the predicted ones.
Also SPU now in booking engine but no dates/times.

Split wasn't there 20 minutes ago either, and not on the route map. Therefore, a gradual loading of the website is happening, so, still time for Paris and Santiago to be uploaded.

Split

Now Wednesday morning and Saturday afternoon.

That leaves Monday morning for SQC if it happens and CDG on a non based aircraft.

All these new routes are good but it seems the airlines are copying each other
which is worrying.

LS add EFL next year. It was supposed to be one per week but is now two LS have been doing a number of adjustments on the timetable over the last month or so.

EZY adding EFL & SPU although good is adding capacity to well served routes.

SQC will be new and CDG will be welcome to provide competition where LS were clearly unsuccessful probably because of their market.

Bagso

I've also been impressed with the new @MAGPress on twitter, very active in banging MAG's drum and followed by losts of press. All good stuff.

I wouldn't worry too much about duplication of Mediterranean sunshine routes by scheduled carriers. On forums such as this, we have an overwhelming tendency to focus on changes to scheduled services and often overlook trends in the IT charter space. What we have been seeing over recent years is a substantial shift away from IT charters in favour of scheduled flights. Destinations such as Kefallinia and Split have long been mainstays of MAN's IT portfolio. As patterns within the industry change, capacity to sunshine destinations remains in demand but customers are increasingly likely to find themselves aboard a 'scheduled flight' as opposed to a 'charter flight'. Initiatives such as Jet2Holidays and EasyJet Holidays will continue to drive this trend. The situation is not comparable to the Berlin and Madrid debacles we experienced in the last few years whereby multiple carriers launched services around the same time then hurriedly withdrew again.

Just an appeal to all contributors relating to a regular thorny topic which arose on here again today. Commercial confidentiality.

We are all familiar with situations where our employers require us not to divulge commercially-sensitive information. In such cases, the correct response is (quite rightly) to divulge nothing. We don't want anybody to get into trouble or to place their jobs at risk.

However, if asked a direct question on a commercially-sensitive topic, can we please reply to the effect of: "Sorry. I cannot comment. My employment T&C's prohibit discussion of commercially confidential information." Everyone will understand this. But *please* do not instead intentionally post information which you know to be the opposite of the truth. That is disrespectful to other contributors here and it is wholly unnecessary. 'No comment' is the correct way to go. Deliberately posting misinformation is another matter, and it will undermine a poster's credibility going forward. Thanks for that.

Heloooo Hainan and beijing
 

Hey people only just found out that the manchester page has opened so congrats! :D

What's exactly going on with hainan and the Beijing route as many people are stating different things...
Feels gooood being back!! :)

Spannersatcx

Completely understandable, was just pulling your leg :)

As Shed correctly points out nobody wants anybody to lose their job due to loose lips on here.

On to terminal development...the old control tower office block is to stay for another 10 years, so any major T1 development will either work around it, or be in 10 years ! Obviously will not affect rebuilding of pier B, or extension of T3...if these things are in the pipeline anytime soon.

10 years?! I thought it was already at least 10 years over it's expected life time?

It was always said that MAN would come back online once the 350's came, what was said in the old thread was CX to return to MAN in Jan 15, all I said was the service would not start in Jan, as I knew it was coming in Dec, so I didn't say it wasn't coming just didn't expand on it. I had to hold back until it was official, it was a careful choice of words that's all.

With regards to daily service, when the application was seen a couple of months ago for days 3, 5 and 7 for 3 weeks in October 2015, and subsequent slots for winter 15 which doesn't include 3, 5 and 7, the answer was it's a standard thing to put in for the slots, as it is easier to withdraw them rather than try to get them at a later stage, standard industry practice I'm told.

How many times on here have we seen reports of airline xyz slot application and nothing happening?

Norwegian have announced BHX-AGP/BCN/MAD.


I think we can firmly say that with a reduction of flights at MAN and now this, the love affair between MAN and DY is over. Shame.

Iberia going to give MAN yet another try from September 2015.


4 weekly to begin with, daily from 2016.


IB3692 MAD 1135 MAN 1305
IB3693 MAN 1350 MAD 1710


Tue/Wed/Fri/Sat


A320 to be used this time.

Given a similar thing seems to have happened with Vueling going to BHX, (MAN just has a short run of flights around Christmas & New Year as far as we know), I just wonder how hard MAN pushed for these carriers given the airport's apparent focus on wanting easyJet and Ryanair to grow. There is also the matter of constraints with the present infrastructure and then while new developments take place, although Norwegian and Vueling could have added capacity at non-peak times.

That aside, having been away for 11 days, it was good to read some positive news, rumours and M.E.N. articles for MAN on return from holiday. Must add that departing on DL at check in and security was very smooth; and, despite arriving back 30 minutes early, unloading was immediate, through immigration in less than 5 minutes and all cases arrived within 35 minutes of on-stand. Yes, I know it's a quieter time of year but well done MAN. The flight only had about 6 empty seats going out, if that, and was about 80% full coming back including high patronage in Business (we were in economy!).

Edit: Ah, just read your post about Iberia, LAX LHR: Is this slot requests or an official start? MAD seems to be back in favour with Ryanair increasing frequency as well.

Its official and bookable MANFOD.

Iberia is bookable on website but it is Iberia Express not the mainline

http://www.travelmole.com/news_featu...etreg&region=2

Great stuff, and the times are earlier than RYR for the days that are the same.
Slightly surprised though that it's Tues. rather than Mon.

I suspect that Norwegian's choice of BHX is market-led rather than indicative of a fall-out with MAN. Look at the three destinations. Malaga, Barcelona and Madrid. All three are symptomatic of the market saturation problems which have afflicted Monarch Airlines so recently (flies AGP and BCN, served MAD briefly).

MAN-AGP is one of the most competitive routes out there. There is no shortage of capacity. I have no inside track on yields but I'd bet on them not being great viewed over 12 months. MAN-MAD is currently the preserve of Ryanair, and as LAX_LHR tells us just today, Iberia Express is set to join the fray. IIRC, Ryanair plans upto 10 departures weekly on MAD, Iberia Express plan 4 weekly rising to 7. History tells us that is plenty for the Madrid route; we want no repeat of what happened in the recent past when four carriers launched in the same season. MAN-BCN is another well served route on which you would rarely struggle to book a seat. Would it be healthy from an airline perspective to add another carrier on this route?

Sometimes we need to be careful what we wish for. Yes, NAX is a great airline and I'm sure we'd all dearly love to see them expand here. But route selection is important. We must avoid a scenario of bloodbath routes ex-MAN (as Madrid and Berlin once were) which result in carriers exiting the market believing they can't make money here. With BHX-BCN seeing two new entrants close together, I hope that route can still make money as it is. Certainly, I would be very concerned to see new entrants (whoever they are) pitching in on MAN-AGP/BCN at present, and two carriers on MAD appears sufficient to me. Remember as well … anyone who tries their luck on these three routes needs to take on an incumbent Ryanair and win. To steal a line from Hollywood, "Feeling Lucky, Punk?"

As always, Shed makes a very good point. Unlike the CX service which is likely to add 'new' passengers for MAN (see discussion on another forum), more flights to the likes of Malaga, Palma and Faro would probably lead to a redistribution and thinning of passengers on existing carriers rather than create extra business. However, it is not always easy to judge when that saturation point is reached, especially if there is a climate of optimism and overall market growth and not just at MAN. (Is that the case now - not sure?).

Perhaps BCN & MAD are slightly different in that they should be attracting an element of business traffic where timings and/or frequency may also count.
I wasn't aware of Ryanair's plans for 10 x weekly to MAD. I thought it was 4 increasing to 5 or possibly 6, but I well may be out of touch.

IB/I2
 

I wish you all the best of British luck with I2, I don't imagine they will last long, and from the customer perspective I would stick to FR because IMHO the IB experice is dire, irrespective of I2/IB :ugh:

MAD will connect to IB's long haul route which is certainly an advantage over FR.

I'll consider IB in future now that I don't have to do MAN-LHR-MAD-XXX to get anywhere!

Thought there was a no diversion rule still in place?

https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/543431474746494977

Recent no diversion NOTAMs were short in length, mainly to cover nights where fog was expected and usually expired at like 11am the day after. There is no long term ban, however someone is probably busy creating a new short term one to last until tomorrow as I type !

A THY and EZY inbound MAN have diverted in to AMS, so it is indeed a nationwide issue it seems.

Flights from the south west seem to be going more westerly to avoid the Swanwick sector (TAP, TOM etc)

A quote from Skyballs

Nick Adderley, a police chief superintendent, was also stuck on the tarmac at Gatwick after trying to fly home to Manchester.

He told Sky News: "This is a business flight for me… [I am] trying to get home after a business meeting in London.

Was on Sky, must be true !:D

Easy Jet

It would seem that the gap in the timetable on a Monday morning has now been filled with and addition flight to Santorini D MAN 0745 ARR MAN 1635.

It looks like Santiago and Paris won't feature for summer 2015 unless they operate on non based aircraft which it is said might happen for Paris.

Given the FlyBe bloodbath at BHX can anybody now confirm that Manchester is the largest base by some degree !

Flybe
 

Before BHX overtook it last year I always thought SOU was Flybe's largest base? As it stands according to the press releases BHX has up to 336 weekly departures and SOU has up to 320, it will be interesting to see how MAN compares to these.